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Post by channonite on Nov 13, 2017 10:02:10 GMT
I have been reading about how teaching handwriting is no longer compulsory in some parts of the world, which strikes me as madness. Children need to be taught how to write, in spite of the amount of time everybody spends on electronic devices. It is all about learning and language. Writing is an essential part of that.
As an aside, whenever I have any length of time without writing, I notice that my handwriting is rubbish when I need to write something and it takes several minutes to get back into the swing of it. Use it, or lose it comes to mind. At work, I almost exclusively use pencil, both to make extensive research notes in notebooks and preparatory notes prior to cataloging. I only use ball point for actual labelling. If I am making permanent notes, then I use a fountain pen.
I wonder how much, or little, people use handwriting in everyday work?
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Post by saintsfan73 on Nov 13, 2017 10:12:22 GMT
It's an interesting question. I suppose there is the argument that children learn more about language by learning how to write but would this be much different if they learnt by typing?
I literally don't write anything by pen/pencil and can't remember the last time I did. Letters are now emails, notes are now put on my iphone with One Note. The only time I ever used to hold a pen was to sign a credit card receipt but even that's gone out of the window with chip and pin!
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Post by jickster on Nov 13, 2017 10:26:54 GMT
Just like the ability to carve stone tablets has gone out of the window, so will writing eventually. Whenever I do have to read anything written by hand it takes me twice as long as typed words, the lack of handwriting is human progress I think. I don't think it will impact on people's ability to use language effectively. I hardly ever write by hand these days, certainly nothing extensive, just notes.
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Post by Sandyback on Nov 13, 2017 13:22:07 GMT
I tend to remember things better if I write them down, but I also think in pictures, which are easier with a pen than an iPad. Must admit that I write less than before, so I've invested in a decent fountain pen that writes beautifully!
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Post by channonite on Nov 13, 2017 13:42:33 GMT
It is a known fact that the act of writing reinforces learning.
I think that in the future, using a keyboard is far more likely to become archaic and unused.
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Post by Furry Frank The Combat Wombat on Nov 13, 2017 14:52:27 GMT
I still do, but rarely for others' consumption (they wouldn't be able to read it anyway)..sometimes it's more convenient/quicker than the e-solution.
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Post by Sir B3na1i on Nov 13, 2017 20:25:04 GMT
Sadly even drawing by traditional methods is disappearing. Which would be fine if it wasnt for the ability for computer programmes to make something better than the 'artists' natural ability
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Post by thestartledsaint on Nov 13, 2017 21:51:04 GMT
When they get voice recognition to work better the office is going to be a horrible place to be with everyone chattering nonsense all day long.
When I first started typing (on a Canon Star Writer, did anyone else have one) I couldn't compose on it and has to write everything by hand first and then copy it, then there came a time when it flipped and I can't now compose by hand and have to do it on the computer first. The ability to edit on the go has change the way I work, if voice recognition came in the pressure to get it right first time may come back and we will be thinking similar to when we were writing.
When my mum was ill I bought some beautiful paper and an ink pen and wrote her a letter (I got the idea from some where, I'm too thoughtless to think of it myself). After she died I found it at the top of her drawer in her bedside cabinet, I was so pleased I had done it.
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Post by melrose on Nov 14, 2017 14:05:54 GMT
Sadly even drawing by traditional methods is disappearing. Which would be fine if it wasnt for the ability for computer programmes to make something better than the 'artists' natural ability Hand-drawn is still the best - many Architectural/Landscape practices still hand draw their presentation stuff, or use computer perspectives etc and trace over them. I still hand draw and do lettering so not too bad at that. However my actual handwriting is now appaling. At school we had to use fountain pens, and my old books look like something left over from the Empire. NowI can barely read my own notes.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2017 14:01:16 GMT
Sadly even drawing by traditional methods is disappearing. Which would be fine if it wasnt for the ability for computer programmes to make something better than the 'artists' natural ability I like sketching and painting and I see people turning to iPads etc with sketching software on them, that's not for me though, I much prefer traditional mediums - pens, watercolours and sketchbooks... My handwriting though is a different matter. It's appalling and has got worse over the years.
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Post by Furry Frank The Combat Wombat on Nov 15, 2017 14:23:03 GMT
Sadly even drawing by traditional methods is disappearing. Which would be fine if it wasnt for the ability for computer programmes to make something better than the 'artists' natural ability I like sketching and painting and I see people turning to iPads etc with sketching software on them, that's not for me though, I much prefer traditional mediums - pens, watercolours and sketchbooks... My handwriting though is a different matter. It's appalling and has got worse over the years. Yeah, I don't get the use of pads for artistic purposes - shirley you lose the feel and ability to generate emphasis from how hard you press (ooer)
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Post by channonite on Nov 16, 2017 10:41:54 GMT
I like sketching and painting and I see people turning to iPads etc with sketching software on them, that's not for me though, I much prefer traditional mediums - pens, watercolours and sketchbooks... My handwriting though is a different matter. It's appalling and has got worse over the years. Yeah, I don't get the use of pads for artistic purposes - shirley you lose the feel and ability to generate emphasis from how hard you press (ooer) An iPad Pro with an Apple Pencil allows you to do exactly that, vary thickness according to pressure. A huge investment in order to get the same result as paper and pencil.
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Post by Furry Frank The Combat Wombat on Nov 16, 2017 11:19:34 GMT
Yeah, I don't get the use of pads for artistic purposes - shirley you lose the feel and ability to generate emphasis from how hard you press (ooer) An iPad Pro with an Apple Pencil allows you to do exactly that, vary thickness according to pressure. A huge investment in order to get the same result as paper and pencil. I'm not convinced.. there's many factors that come into play at the interface depending on the implement and surface.. sure Apple come up with some clever stuff, but I doubt they've taken it to that level. Either way, they're not having my money
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Post by thestartledsaint on Nov 16, 2017 13:01:44 GMT
I saw one of those Microsoft Surface Studios the other day, they look the business.
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Post by The Rover on Nov 17, 2017 14:55:32 GMT
An iPad Pro with an Apple Pencil allows you to do exactly that, vary thickness according to pressure. A huge investment in order to get the same result as paper and pencil. I'm not convinced.. there's many factors that come into play at the interface depending on the implement and surface.. sure Apple come up with some clever stuff, but I doubt they've taken it to that level. Either way, they're not having my money I can't quite see why Apple feel the need to reinvent the pencil either. If it ain't broke etc, and if it is use a pencil sharpener.
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