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Post by stsaint on Sept 23, 2018 6:16:18 GMT
When people say we can't possibly get rid of Hughes as there is no one else available it makes me want to chop my head off with a butter knife. Having the worst manager in the league isn't the only option and here are some names to prove it. I've tried to be realistic, so no mention of Tuchel, Conte, Enrique or AVB, even though they would be welcomed.
Arteta - wanted the Arsenal job and almost got it in the summer so clearly itching to be number one. Learned under attacking, good football playing managers and we would both be perfect for each other.
Peter Bosz - anyone who gets the Dortmund job can't be bad. Let in lots of goals but plays attacking football and had success in Holland. Needs to rebuild his career so a mutually beneficial option.
Ralph Hassenhutl - former Leipzig manager and probably too good for us, but you never know. Finished second with the German club who absolutely loved him.
Paulo Bento - surely could be tempted away from Korea! Success with Sporting Lisbon, won loads, and when he left Olympiacos they were top of the league.
Vitor Pereira - success at Porto and thought to be next big Portuguese manager who needs to get his career back on track. Currently in China.
Vincenzo Montela - Four consecutive top 4 finishes at Fiorentina and thought good enough for AC Milan. That didn't work out, but their Chinese owners were making some pretty erratic decisions, so I wouldn't read much into that.
Before someone says that these people don't know the league, I say do me a favour. Javi Gracia and Pochettino show how much of a non- argument that is.
I also don't want to hear how these are out of our league, Leeds signed Bielsa in the Championship, so anything can be done if wanted enough.
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Post by patred on Sept 23, 2018 7:24:10 GMT
So, after less than 20 games of transtion from a head coach, to a MANAGER, you want to give up on it and go back to a system that bought the likes of Puel and Pelligrino here ?
EVERYONE of those above are continental head coaches who cannot work without a DOF to build a squad for them. And, those above would only want us as a stepping stone for one season, and won't be concerned about what they leave behind in their wake.
Bielsa? Do you want us to go along that road of backhanders and dodgy deals.?
I will give Hughes at least till Xmas, before pulling the rug from the man who kept us up.
Hughes may not be ideal, but he keeps the likes of Reed away from our club.
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Post by channonite on Sept 23, 2018 7:43:01 GMT
All sound decent shouts and a step up from the unambitious place where we are now.
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Post by channonite on Sept 23, 2018 7:44:35 GMT
So, after less than 20 games of transtion from a head coach, to a MANAGER, you want to give up on it and go back to a system that bought the likes of Puel and Pelligrino here ? EVERYONE of those above are continental head coaches who cannot work without a DOF to build a squad for them. And, those above would only want us as a stepping stone for one season, and won't be concerned about what they leave behind in their wake. Bielsa? Do you want us to go along that road of backhanders and dodgy deals.? I will give Hughes at least till Xmas, before pulling the rug from the man who kept us up. Hughes may not be ideal, but he keeps the likes of Reed away from our club. That's the one thing I keep thinking, but there comes a point where even that is not enough. |
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Post by stsaint on Sept 23, 2018 8:10:11 GMT
So, after less than 20 games of transtion from a head coach, to a MANAGER, you want to give up on it and go back to a system that bought the likes of Puel and Pelligrino here ? EVERYONE of those above are continental head coaches who cannot work without a DOF to build a squad for them. And, those above would only want us as a stepping stone for one season, and won't be concerned about what they leave behind in their wake. Bielsa? Do you want us to go along that road of backhanders and dodgy deals.? I will give Hughes at least till Xmas, before pulling the rug from the man who kept us up. Hughes may not be ideal, but he keeps the likes of Reed away from our club. Yes, I do. Pellegrino was the only bad hire. |
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Post by saintsfan73 on Sept 23, 2018 8:11:48 GMT
Even the managers listed are WAY above the level we could attract at present.
I think some are missing the point. The problems at this club are not centred on the manager.
To get a manager like the ones listed a club needs to have some form of plan, some form of ambition. This is why the likes of Wolves and Watford have better managers than us. No manager worth his salt will want to come to the sort of club we are now. The whole football world knows we are a rudderless ship with a laughable part-time Ice hockey chairman with the only ambition to finish 17th each season. The football world also knows we have a potless owner who purchased the club through huge personal bank loans.
Hughes has made plenty of errors this season but let’s stop to think of the players the black box has delivered him. £20m wasted on a striker who never scored a goal, a group of non scoring strikers, the best being one on loan who has one decent PL season in his career. Without doubt the worst set of centre backs in the league. Another £30m wasted on Hoedt and Vestergaard, 2 CBs who would struggle to get a game in the Championship. The club’s most consistent attacking wide player for the past four seasons sold for a pittance and replaced with a player who currently looks a million miles away from a PL player.
Yes Hughes could be doing better but the conditions to work in he is being given are appalling.
The problems with our club are the same I have been banging on about since Cortese left. No ambition, no plan, no competent people running the club. Until these are resolved then inserting a different manager each and every season will have little to no effect. Sadly our new owners seem unable or unwilling to do anything about this.
The only new manager we could attract at present would be one from the lower leagues who would be happy just to manage in the PL no matter what the conditions.
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Post by stsaint on Sept 23, 2018 8:38:38 GMT
Even the managers listed are WAY above the level we could attract at present. I think some are missing the point. The problems at this club are not centred on the manager. To get a manager like the ones listed a club needs to have some form of plan, some form of ambition. This is why the likes of Wolves and Watford have better managers than us. No manager worth his salt will want to come to the sort of club we are now. The whole football world knows we are a rudderless ship with a laughable part-time Ice hockey chairman with the only ambition to finish 17th each season. The football world also knows we have a potless owner who purchased the club through huge personal bank loans. Hughes has made plenty of errors this season but let’s stop to think of the players the black box has delivered him. £20m wasted on a striker who never scored a goal, a group of non scoring strikers, the best being one on loan who has one decent PL season in his career. Without doubt the worst set of centre backs in the league. Another £30m wasted on Hoedt and Vestergaard, 2 CBs who would struggle to get a game in the Championship. The club’s most consistent attacking wide player for the past four seasons sold for a pittance and replaced with a player who currently looks a million miles away from a PL player. Yes Hughes could be doing better but the conditions to work in he is being given are appalling. The problems with our club are the same I have been banging on about since Cortese left. No ambition, no plan, no competent people running the club. Until these are resolved then inserting a different manager each and every season will have little to no effect. Sadly our new owners seem unable or unwilling to do anything about this. The only new manager we could attract at present would be one for the lower leagues who would be happy just to manage in the PL no matter what the conditions. This is a list that took me 10 minutes to make. There are probably at least 30 other names across the world who would be just as good. Any Premier League club paying £3M per year could attract the majority, no matter how badly run. Money is all the majority will care about. |
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Post by arfurdent on Sept 23, 2018 10:07:59 GMT
Even the managers listed are WAY above the level we could attract at present. I think some are missing the point. The problems at this club are not centred on the manager. To get a manager like the ones listed a club needs to have some form of plan, some form of ambition. This is why the likes of Wolves and Watford have better managers than us. No manager worth his salt will want to come to the sort of club we are now. The whole football world knows we are a rudderless ship with a laughable part-time Ice hockey chairman with the only ambition to finish 17th each season. The football world also knows we have a potless owner who purchased the club through huge personal bank loans. Hughes has made plenty of errors this season but let’s stop to think of the players the black box has delivered him. £20m wasted on a striker who never scored a goal, a group of non scoring strikers, the best being one on loan who has one decent PL season in his career. Without doubt the worst set of centre backs in the league. Another £30m wasted on Hoedt and Vestergaard, 2 CBs who would struggle to get a game in the Championship. The club’s most consistent attacking wide player for the past four seasons sold for a pittance and replaced with a player who currently looks a million miles away from a PL player. Yes Hughes could be doing better but the conditions to work in he is being given are appalling. The problems with our club are the same I have been banging on about since Cortese left. No ambition, no plan, no competent people running the club. Until these are resolved then inserting a different manager each and every season will have little to no effect. Sadly our new owners seem unable or unwilling to do anything about this. The only new manager we could attract at present would be one for the lower leagues who would be happy just to manage in the PL no matter what the conditions. This is a list that took me 10 minutes to make. There are probably at least 30 other names across the world who would be just as good. Any Premier League club paying £3M per year could attract the majority, no matter how badly run. Money is all the majority will care about. Hughes has been left with turds to polish, would anyone else get a better shine? |
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Post by stsaint on Sept 23, 2018 10:18:52 GMT
This is a list that took me 10 minutes to make. There are probably at least 30 other names across the world who would be just as good. Any Premier League club paying £3M per year could attract the majority, no matter how badly run. Money is all the majority will care about. Hughes has been left with turds to polish, would anyone else get a better shine? Yes, everyone but Pellegrino would get a good shine. We have a good first XI despite the poor results so far (hence being unhappy with the crap manager). |
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Post by saintsfan73 on Sept 23, 2018 11:19:39 GMT
Hughes has been left with turds to polish, would anyone else get a better shine? Yes, everyone but Pellegrino would get a good shine. We have a good first XI despite the poor results so far (hence being unhappy with the crap manager). We have some good players but the worst CBs in the league. All decent PL teams are built in being decent at the back. We certainly were when we were a decent side. |
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Post by channonite on Sept 23, 2018 11:36:21 GMT
Yes, everyone but Pellegrino would get a good shine. We have a good first XI despite the poor results so far (hence being unhappy with the crap manager). We have some good players but the worst CBs in the league. All decent PL teams are built in being decent at the back. We certainly were when we were a decent side. We have a poor selection of CB's, but for some reason seem to be playing the worst two of the bunch together. Or maybe it is simply the two are just not well matched? |
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Post by stsaint on Sept 23, 2018 12:19:01 GMT
We have some good players but the worst CBs in the league. All decent PL teams are built in being decent at the back. We certainly were when we were a decent side. We have a poor selection of CB's, but for some reason seem to be playing the worst two of the bunch together. Or maybe it is simply the two are just not well matched? Personally I think the CB's are fine, it's the lack of protection in the system we play and incoherent plan from set pieces |
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Post by patred on Sept 23, 2018 13:21:37 GMT
I am so dissappointed in both CB's. Both are so slow physically and mentally. I was expecting much more from them. Especially Vestergarrd. I was also hoping that Bednarek would force his way in as a partner for Vestergarrd, at least he has some pace. Sitting on the bench every week will do him no good at all. Same goes for Yoshida. The league cup game against Everton will be a test for Hughes selection skills. We have several players knocking on the door. Hughes must be so frustrated at the results so far. I think he was expecting a mid table position with the odd good result here and there. Our form at SMS is abissmal we should be winning more points there and scoring more goals. I cannot for the life of me see why the likes of Long and Davis are considered. They given us thier best over the last few years but time has caught up with them. Gabbiadini has done nothing to push his case for a starting position. All 3 of them should be sold in January to buy a big striker who can be a threat in the air. Both Ings and Austin are too similar to make a partnership. We should use the money from the sales and Targett too, to try to persuade Fulham to let us have Mitrovic, he would be an ideal striker to lead the line. But, why should they? It will have to be an offer of biblical proportions to get him, over £30m  |
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Post by Batts on Sept 23, 2018 13:53:11 GMT
So bored with having to have this conversation again, but it was inevitable once Hughes kept us up and we had to give it to Hughes permanently. Say what you like about Les Reed but he was the one who allegedly suggested to the board that we should at least look at the market rather than blindly appoint Hughes. Anyone with a modicum of sense could see where this was headed, and sure enough we are bang on the path towards a new manager by Christmas.
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Post by THE BEAST on Sept 23, 2018 15:54:26 GMT
Same old shit
Not a very different day
Mark Hughes is a known quantity, we know exactly what we will get from him. Unfortunately, this isn't enough for most of us.
Although I do hold my hands up and say he did a good job keeping us up last year when I was convinced we been relegated before he even got here.
That being said, the club aren't taking enough risks with young players or with players that "could" make the move up from the championship (Will Hughes is a good example for instance who we should have bought a couple of years ago). Not that that would make Hughes a better manager anyway, it's arguable but he may have had much better players available at Stoke during his tenure there and he still massively underperformed, as has been said on this thread already, we've got who we've got and he'll be swapped out around Christmas for feck knows who.
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