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Post by channonite on Jan 17, 2019 22:58:25 GMT
Talking of negotiating trade deals. But hey, he's an expert so why listen to him. That is really interesting Chris, I had not seen that before. Loads if stats and information from someone actually uniquely qualified to comment on the EU, rather than someone just projecting their own prejudices. |
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Post by thestartledsaint on Jan 17, 2019 22:58:38 GMT
Perhaps if the EU would actively try to reduce the gap between themselves (the haves) and the min wagers and be seen to prioritise this, then so many of those who voted leave may have voted to remain. What does that mean? Before Brexit I never gave a thought to the EU, I never once thought damn I can't do xx and it's all the fault of the EU and their pesky rules, I can't think of one thing the EU stops me from doing, one thing it stops me from buying, one job it stops me from trying for. I never once had a conversation with a mate about it. It was never on my agenda or anyone I know. I gave as much thought to the EU as I did to the board of M&S, I knew they existed and that was it, I didn't care how it worked I was just happy that I could get a nice prawn sandwich at a petrol station once in a while. No one can explain what instant benefit we will get on day one from leaving. The truth is we will swap one bunch of faceless law makers for another bunch of faceless law makers and when the dust settles, when the euphoria of actually leaving resides there won't be one brexiteer that will really feel that their life has been enhanced by leaving, yes they would have scratched an ideological itch but will their actual life be better by being out of the EU. |
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Post by thestartledsaint on Jan 17, 2019 23:24:28 GMT
Globalisation and privatisation has killed a lot of good paid working class jobs and neither of them are down to being part of the EU. But being in the EU can be blamed by some people for allowing cheaper labour in from Eastern Europe and its interesting that after the waves of different immigration it's the white Europeans influx that has created the greatest reaction.
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Post by theallseeingeye on Jan 17, 2019 23:36:00 GMT
I like sausage sandwiches Brown or red sauce? Brown of course |
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Post by thestartledsaint on Jan 17, 2019 23:44:15 GMT
I like a sausage sandwich with any mainstream* sauce equally and couldn't choose a favourite. *brown, red, mustard, mayonnaise, salad cream. |
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Post by Furry Frank The Combat Wombat on Jan 17, 2019 23:50:00 GMT
I like a sausage sandwich with any mainstream* sauce equally and couldn't choose a favourite. *brown, red, mustard, mayonnaise, salad cream. A sausage sandwich is best with a mix of red sauce, yellow mustard and sriracha chilli sauce.. and everyone else is wrong, as this thread clearly proves. |
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Post by theallseeingeye on Jan 17, 2019 23:51:26 GMT
Is it really surprising Mays policy got smashed? All those who wanted to stay in were never going to agree to it. Why wouldn’t you drag your heels and disrupt it in hopes of changing the original outcome. It’s the only card to play if you want to stay in... isn’t it?
I think Labour had the chance to change the outcome but I think they’ve been very poor. I can’t believe they are behind in the opinion poles when the cons have May as leader and a party of mostly idiots...
I’ll say one thing, my political views and traditional leanings have been deeply challenged... so that’s one good thing
This Brexit business has been horrible but it will once the dust settles it will be the beginnings of new politics In the UK, this is so embarrassing it won’t be allowed to happy again. When the fog clears and the lights come on... the landscape will have changed.
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Post by theallseeingeye on Jan 17, 2019 23:53:37 GMT
I like a sausage sandwich with any mainstream* sauce equally and couldn't choose a favourite. *brown, red, mustard, mayonnaise, salad cream. A sausage sandwich is best with a mix of red sauce, yellow mustard and sriracha chilli sauce.. and everyone else is wrong, as this thread clearly proves. Never tried that... I might give it a go.. sounds good...very good |
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Post by Mandochris on Jan 18, 2019 6:30:59 GMT
German, French, Italian or Hungarian sausages?
Get 'em while stocks last!
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Post by Mandochris on Jan 18, 2019 6:31:12 GMT
From David Cameron, who recklessly gambled his country’s future on a referendum in order to isolate some whingers in his Conservative party, to the opportunistic Boris Johnson, who jumped on the Brexit bandwagon to secure the prime ministerial chair once warmed by his role model Winston Churchill, and the top-hatted, theatrically retro Jacob Rees-Mogg, whose fund management company has set up an office within the European Union even as he vehemently scorns it, the British political class has offered to the world an astounding spectacle of mendacious, intellectually limited hustlers.
Even a columnist for The Economist, an organ of the British elite, now professes dismay over “Oxford chums” who coast through life on “bluff rather than expertise.” “Britain,” the magazine belatedly lamented last month, “is governed by a self-involved clique that rewards group membership above competence and self-confidence above expertise.” In Brexit, the British “chumocracy,” the column declared, “has finally met its Waterloo.”
-- Pankaj Mishra, in the New York Times
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Post by arfurdent on Jan 18, 2019 8:06:35 GMT
I agree with a lot of what saintpaddy says and the broad thrust of his argument seems to centre around a point that budidgary made coming from a completely different viewpoint - we have been spectacularly let down by our politicians. Whatever you think about Europe out, or in, nobody is happy. The House of Commons seems to have lost it's way and the MPs are apparently only interested in their own short term futures and interests, rather than the country as a whole. They certainly give the impression of being an odd collection of chancers and self-serving money grabbers. Yet, we elected them. What other occupation that carries so much responsibility, has no formal qualifications. Politicians have always been interested in their short term aspirations. Civil Servants are interested only in their status and career progression. If you do not have access to offshore wealth, suspect accountancy firms and a dinner reservation with HMRC then you are part of the great unwashed and only fit for factory work or cannon fodder. It was ever thus |
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Post by arfurdent on Jan 18, 2019 8:12:55 GMT
I like a sausage sandwich with any mainstream* sauce equally and couldn't choose a favourite. *brown, red, mustard, mayonnaise, salad cream. A sausage sandwich is best with a mix of red sauce, yellow mustard and sriracha chilli sauce.. and everyone else is wrong, as this thread clearly proves. I call for a referendum on this ASAP |
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Post by arfurdent on Jan 18, 2019 8:15:07 GMT
Is it really surprising Mays policy got smashed? All those who wanted to stay in were never going to agree to it. Why wouldn’t you drag your heels and disrupt it in hopes of changing the original outcome. It’s the only card to play if you want to stay in... isn’t it? I think Labour had the chance to change the outcome but I think they’ve been very poor. I can’t believe they are behind in the opinion poles when the cons have May as leader and a party of mostly idiots... I’ll say one thing, my political views and traditional leanings have been deeply challenged... so that’s one good thing This Brexit business has been horrible but it will once the dust settles it will be the beginnings of new politics In the UK, this is so embarrassing it won’t be allowed to happy again. When the fog clears and the lights come on... the landscape will have changed. who will actually give a toss or have the power to act upon it. Self interest will continue to be the main driving force. It is in the genes. |
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Post by arfurdent on Jan 18, 2019 8:16:59 GMT
From David Cameron, who recklessly gambled his country’s future on a referendum in order to isolate some whingers in his Conservative party, to the opportunistic Boris Johnson, who jumped on the Brexit bandwagon to secure the prime ministerial chair once warmed by his role model Winston Churchill, and the top-hatted, theatrically retro Jacob Rees-Mogg, whose fund management company has set up an office within the European Union even as he vehemently scorns it, the British political class has offered to the world an astounding spectacle of mendacious, intellectually limited hustlers. Even a columnist for The Economist, an organ of the British elite, now professes dismay over “Oxford chums” who coast through life on “bluff rather than expertise.” “Britain,” the magazine belatedly lamented last month, “is governed by a self-involved clique that rewards group membership above competence and self-confidence above expertise.” In Brexit, the British “chumocracy,” the column declared, “has finally met its Waterloo.” -- Pankaj Mishra, in the New York Times now that I agree with |
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Post by spot51 on Jan 18, 2019 10:10:08 GMT
Is it really surprising Mays policy got smashed? All those who wanted to stay in were never going to agree to it. Why wouldn’t you drag your heels and disrupt it in hopes of changing the original outcome. It’s the only card to play if you want to stay in... isn’t it? I think Labour had the chance to change the outcome but I think they’ve been very poor. I can’t believe they are behind in the opinion poles when the cons have May as leader and a party of mostly idiots... I’ll say one thing, my political views and traditional leanings have been deeply challenged... so that’s one good thing This Brexit business has been horrible but it will once the dust settles it will be the beginnings of new politics In the UK, this is so embarrassing it won’t be allowed to happy again. When the fog clears and the lights come on... the landscape will have changed. They are not behind in the polls. The 4 most recent polls show 1 = too close to call and the other 3 have Labour ahead. I understand the BBC trotted out this lie again last night but sadly they can no longer be trusted. Too many senior positions at BBC are filled by Tory hacks and the organisation is shit scared of the government taking away the licence fee. Don't look for balanced reporting on the "national broadcaster" as they only do fake news. C4 news is as good as it gets these days. |
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