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Post by saintsfan73 on Sept 21, 2020 9:09:03 GMT
If we continue to try and play a very high line that it is vitally important that we have a gk who can play as a 'sweeper keeper'. McCarthy is one of the worst starting keepers in the PL (take note Sir B3na1i ) and proved very bad at this yesterday as he stayed rooted to his line but it's madness if you think the 6'7" Wardrobe that is our reserve keeper would be able to do this any better. Fair point re: JWP, he is back to being the passenger he was for his first 7 seasons in the PL with the added bonus of that now his free kicks and corners are a pile of w ank. He needs to be replaced asap with.... oh bugger, that's it, we don't have any other midfielders do we. I agree that yesterday's performance by Mccarthy was very very poor. Either they hadn't trained him to play with the high line or he wasn't carrying out instructions. Either way awful. That said your point about JWP being a passenger for 7 seasons is hilarious and shows you only watch on TV. He's been poor at the start of this season, they all have, but he has not been a passenger for 7 seasons and you can roll out all the stats you like, those who sit in the stands really appreciate what JWP brings to the table, usually Ah, the old - 'you can only comment on players if you sit in the stands' chestnut! That seems to becoming of even less relevant in the world of Covid football! I think all of us including a succession of managers from Pochettino to Mark Hughes could see what JWP brought to the table prior to last season, nothing more than corners than free kicks, that's why none of those managers ever gave him a prolonged run the starting lineup. Last season he finally did enough to be a regular starter but this year he has reverted to type but with the added bonus of his corners and free-kicks being awful. We must have the worst CM in the PL right now as, someone said above, Romeu is now an accident waiting to happen. This is no surprise though, it was plain to see in the games after lockdown last season. It makes the decision to cash in on Reed seem even more puzzling.
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Post by Mandochris on Sept 21, 2020 9:47:23 GMT
Well that was shit. Teams playing the high line need to be good and fast. Not just us, so many teams trying it and being caught out (even Adams goal v Man City showed its limitations). This game shows that we really need to place PEH to plug that back of the midfield in front of the defence. And the centre of defence. Stephens has disappointed in those two games but we know he can do better. Romeu has give the ball away far too often in two league games and just isn't fast enough to deal with the damage. Why TF didn't Ralph change it. 5 times the same goal is not smart. Adams has had 3 or 4 point blank shots. They've all hit the keeper. Needs work. KWP was back to form. Ings is genius in all situations. Djenepo can be dangerous if he concentrates. Tella looked good when he came on. But they all do and then most of them fade and disappear. Whatever happened to Sims?
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Post by channonite on Sept 21, 2020 10:33:39 GMT
Sims is playing (and scoring) for the B team
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Post by Sir B3na1i on Sept 21, 2020 15:52:20 GMT
I agree that yesterday's performance by Mccarthy was very very poor. Either they hadn't trained him to play with the high line or he wasn't carrying out instructions. Either way awful. That said your point about JWP being a passenger for 7 seasons is hilarious and shows you only watch on TV. He's been poor at the start of this season, they all have, but he has not been a passenger for 7 seasons and you can roll out all the stats you like, those who sit in the stands really appreciate what JWP brings to the table, usually Ah, the old - 'you can only comment on players if you sit in the stands' chestnut! That seems to becoming of even less relevant in the world of Covid football! I think all of us including a succession of managers from Pochettino to Mark Hughes could see what JWP brought to the table prior to last season, nothing more than corners than free kicks, that's why none of those managers ever gave him a prolonged run the starting lineup. Last season he finally did enough to be a regular starter but this year he has reverted to type but with the added bonus of his corners and free-kicks being awful. We must have the worst CM in the PL right now as, someone said above, Romeu is now an accident waiting to happen. This is no surprise though, it was plain to see in the games after lockdown last season. It makes the decision to cash in on Reed seem even more puzzling. Just to clear up the fake news if you average games available for vs games player JWP is Saints most played player of the decade.
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Post by saintsfan73 on Sept 21, 2020 16:25:09 GMT
Ah, the old - 'you can only comment on players if you sit in the stands' chestnut! That seems to becoming of even less relevant in the world of Covid football! I think all of us including a succession of managers from Pochettino to Mark Hughes could see what JWP brought to the table prior to last season, nothing more than corners than free kicks, that's why none of those managers ever gave him a prolonged run the starting lineup. Last season he finally did enough to be a regular starter but this year he has reverted to type but with the added bonus of his corners and free-kicks being awful. We must have the worst CM in the PL right now as, someone said above, Romeu is now an accident waiting to happen. This is no surprise though, it was plain to see in the games after lockdown last season. It makes the decision to cash in on Reed seem even more puzzling. Just to clear up the fake news if you average games available for vs games player JWP is Saints most played player of the decade. But how many of those were 5 min cameos off of the bench when the game was already won/lost. If there was a a PL award for the most dropped player then JWP would win it hands down. Whenever he came into the starting line-up for the 1st 7 years of his career he would never last more than 2 or 3 games. (if I'm being generous there was maybe half of Koeman's first season when we were playing 4-3-3 he got a bit of a run but by RK's second season he was back to bench warming again. ) He's back to that level now, Mr Anonymous. With the only difference being his fere kicks and corners are now awful but we have zero Midfielders on the bench to replace him with.
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Post by Sir B3na1i on Sept 21, 2020 18:35:50 GMT
Just to clear up the fake news if you average games available for vs games player JWP is Saints most played player of the decade. But how many of those were 5 min cameos off of the bench when the game was already won/lost. If there was a a PL award for the most dropped player then JWP would win it hands down. Whenever he came into the starting line-up for the 1st 7 years of his career he would never last more than 2 or 3 games. (if I'm being generous there was maybe half of Koeman's first season when we were playing 4-3-3 he got a bit of a run but by RK's second season he was back to bench warming again. ) He's back to that level now, Mr Anonymous. With the only difference being his fere kicks and corners are now awful but we have zero Midfielders on the bench to replace him with. Mate you've been alright recently, but I've realised that's because there's no football being played. Can I ask, did you ever play football?
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Post by saintsfan73 on Sept 22, 2020 8:15:44 GMT
But how many of those were 5 min cameos off of the bench when the game was already won/lost. If there was a a PL award for the most dropped player then JWP would win it hands down. Whenever he came into the starting line-up for the 1st 7 years of his career he would never last more than 2 or 3 games. (if I'm being generous there was maybe half of Koeman's first season when we were playing 4-3-3 he got a bit of a run but by RK's second season he was back to bench warming again. ) He's back to that level now, Mr Anonymous. With the only difference being his fere kicks and corners are now awful but we have zero Midfielders on the bench to replace him with. Mate you've been alright recently, but I've realised that's because there's no football being played. Can I ask, did you ever play football? Bloody hell Benners, you're pulling them all out now, first - you can only comment if you sit in the stands, and now you have had to played football yourself before you can judge a player! What level of the game do I have had to have played at to pass this test? For my school? Sunday League? Saturday league? Non-League? Semi-Pro? I'm not quite sure what you are trying to argue here. Is it really anything other than JWP was a pretty poor player for the first 7 years of his career? A passenger when the ball was moving, his only real saving grace being his dead ball skills? If you don't want to believe me then what about Pochettino/Koeman/Puel/Pellegrino and Hughes? They have all watched him from inside a stadium and must have played football at a high enough level for you to respect their opinion? As I said, other than - if I'm being generous- half of one season under Koeman (before he brought in better players) you'd be hard pressed to find any run of games where JWP was in the starting line-up for more than 2 or 3 games before being dropped. That is the hallmark of a bang-average PL squad player. I'm happy to admit that last season he was more than this, and for the first time in his career, earned his place in the starting line-up week in week out. Sadly, so far this season, he has reverted to type and even his dead ball skills seems to have deserted him. If we had any other MF players then he should be dropped but we don't so it's a moot point!
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Post by Sir B3na1i on Sept 22, 2020 10:37:07 GMT
Mate you've been alright recently, but I've realised that's because there's no football being played. Can I ask, did you ever play football? Bloody hell Benners, you're pulling them all out now, first - you can only comment if you sit in the stands, and now you have had to played football yourself before you can judge a player! What level of the game do I have had to have played at to pass this test? For my school? Sunday League? Saturday league? Non-League? Semi-Pro? I'm not quite sure what you are trying to argue here. Is it really anything other than JWP was a pretty poor player for the first 7 years of his career? A passenger when the ball was moving, his only real saving grace being his dead ball skills? If you don't want to believe me then what about Pochettino/Koeman/Puel/Pellegrino and Hughes? They have all watched him from inside a stadium and must have played football at a high enough level for you to respect their opinion? As I said, other than - if I'm being generous- half of one season under Koeman (before he brought in better players) you'd be hard pressed to find any run of games where JWP was in the starting line-up for more than 2 or 3 games before being dropped. That is the hallmark of a bang-average PL squad player. I'm happy to admit that last season he was more than this, and for the first time in his career, earned his place in the starting line-up week in week out. Sadly, so far this season, he has reverted to type and even his dead ball skills seems to have deserted him. If we had any other MF players then he should be dropped but we don't so it's a moot point! I wasn't saying you have to have played to any level to comment, just interested. The reason I ask is I know as someone who played in midfield (not to any high level) having a JWP type alongside me would have been a dream. He does the simple things well and works really hard for the team, covering players, stopping moves just by cutting off options, gets us moving, always offers an option and therefore pulls players with him to open up space for others. Yes the free kicks and deadbolt are a bonus, but it's all the unnoticed stuff that adds real value. You can keep rolling out the misinformation about him being "dropped" but its a cast iron fact he's started more games on average that he's available for than any player since our return to the PL. Jenas made a comment on Sunday that Hojberg is a player who's better with out the ball, it sounds like a daft comment, but it's not if you're having an impact without the ball. JWP does with and without the ball. That said, I agree he's had a particularly poor start. Personally I'd put that down to Romeu dropping back to his expected standard and not reaching his post lockdown levels which leaves JWP exposed with the ball and less effective at the 'without the ball' stuff because he's got no partner to support. I would say that one of the best performances I've seen in a Saints shirt was JWP in the cup last season when Smallbone and Vomits scored. I can't remember the opposition but I remember that performance. The opposition was weak but JWP because ran the show and taught all the youngsters the game in a live competitive match, he was like a conductor. He isn't good enough to do that at the top top level but I guarantee the young and fringe players learnt loads playing with him that day. With the right partner JWP is fantastic.
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Post by saintsfan73 on Sept 22, 2020 11:10:03 GMT
Bloody hell Benners, you're pulling them all out now, first - you can only comment if you sit in the stands, and now you have had to played football yourself before you can judge a player! What level of the game do I have had to have played at to pass this test? For my school? Sunday League? Saturday league? Non-League? Semi-Pro? I'm not quite sure what you are trying to argue here. Is it really anything other than JWP was a pretty poor player for the first 7 years of his career? A passenger when the ball was moving, his only real saving grace being his dead ball skills? If you don't want to believe me then what about Pochettino/Koeman/Puel/Pellegrino and Hughes? They have all watched him from inside a stadium and must have played football at a high enough level for you to respect their opinion? As I said, other than - if I'm being generous- half of one season under Koeman (before he brought in better players) you'd be hard pressed to find any run of games where JWP was in the starting line-up for more than 2 or 3 games before being dropped. That is the hallmark of a bang-average PL squad player. I'm happy to admit that last season he was more than this, and for the first time in his career, earned his place in the starting line-up week in week out. Sadly, so far this season, he has reverted to type and even his dead ball skills seems to have deserted him. If we had any other MF players then he should be dropped but we don't so it's a moot point! I wasn't saying you have to have played to any level to comment, just interested. The reason I ask is I know as someone who played in midfield (not to any high level) having a JWP type alongside me would have been a dream. He does the simple things well and works really hard for the team, covering players, stopping moves just by cutting off options, gets us moving, always offers an option and therefore pulls players with him to open up space for others. Yes the free kicks and deadbolt are a bonus, but it's all the unnoticed stuff that adds real value. You can keep rolling out the misinformation about him being "dropped" but its a cast iron fact he's started more games on average that he's available for than any player since our return to the PL. Jenas made a comment on Sunday that Hojberg is a player who's better with out the ball, it sounds like a daft comment, but it's not if you're having an impact without the ball. JWP does with and without the ball. That said, I agree he's had a particularly poor start. Personally I'd put that down to Romeu dropping back to his expected standard and not reaching his post lockdown levels which leaves JWP exposed with the ball and less effective at the 'without the ball' stuff because he's got no partner to support. I would say that one of the best performances I've seen in a Saints shirt was JWP in the cup last season when Smallbone and Vomits scored. I can't remember the opposition but I remember that performance. The opposition was weak but JWP because ran the show and taught all the youngsters the game in a live competitive match, he was like a conductor. He isn't good enough to do that at the top top level but I guarantee the young and fringe players learnt loads playing with him that day. With the right partner JWP is fantastic. As often it's fair to say we'll have to disagree! Throughout his career I would say that JWP has seldom exhibited any of the qualities you listed. He was the sterotypical squad player who was used off of the bench far more often than not and struggled when we played 4-4-2 as he wasn't then viewed as a central midfield player so was stuck out on the wing where he didn't have the pace to beat a defender. His brief spell starting regularly in the team came when RK was playing 4-3-3 and he could play in a MF 3 where the other 2 could make up for his defensive inadequacies. He certainly came of age last year and RH seemed to have turned him into much more a dirty player which has helped him be able to play in CM as he has certainly far too nice to play there before. I agree with what you say re: Romeu, he's laughably off of the pace now and reminds me of myself playing my 12 year old nephew at Fifa when I have no idea what the controls are other than a sliding tackle so I run around the pitch making wild lunges at opposition players. JWP wasn't helped in the first game by having Smallbone in the side either, it's far too early for him to be in the PL - he should be on loan in the Champ but we're down to Harry's bare bones....
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Post by jickster on Sept 22, 2020 11:31:17 GMT
I would say that one of the best performances I've seen in a Saints shirt was JWP in the cup last season when Smallbone and Vomits scored. I can't remember the opposition but I remember that performance. The opposition was weak but JWP because ran the show and taught all the youngsters the game in a live competitive match, he was like a conductor. He isn't good enough to do that at the top top level but I guarantee the young and fringe players learnt loads playing with him that day. With the right partner JWP is fantastic. Vomits had some sick skills in that game.
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Post by saintsfan73 on Sept 22, 2020 11:43:06 GMT
I would say that one of the best performances I've seen in a Saints shirt was JWP in the cup last season when Smallbone and Vomits scored. I can't remember the opposition but I remember that performance. The opposition was weak but JWP because ran the show and taught all the youngsters the game in a live competitive match, he was like a conductor. He isn't good enough to do that at the top top level but I guarantee the young and fringe players learnt loads playing with him that day. With the right partner JWP is fantastic. Vomits had some sick skills in that game. It's amazing the sort of talent the Academy throws up.
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