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Post by Willshakes. on Jul 8, 2021 19:06:42 GMT
Saints aside.
Are you starting to enjoy Referees and VAR ? Predominantly they've been very good aside from the pen last night.
Southgate seems to be in the perfect role. OK we had an easy run in the last WC however he's managed under 21's therefore he knows the players.
I will never "Predict a result" however Sunday will be fascinating to watch.
If we can win a MAJOR TOURNAMENT again after so many decades it will be truly phenomenal in my humble opinion.
Just my thoughts.
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Post by channonite on Jul 8, 2021 19:31:52 GMT
I found I had a range of mixed emotions last night. Delight and sheer elation at England getting to a final of a major competition, sympathy for the Danes, particularly the players standing completely drained in front of their fans at the end of the match, while the tv cameras were fixed on them and all the while the dozy commentators just went on endlessly about England. The final and by far the overriding feeling, was of the despair of seeing that huge crowd and crowds all over the country. No masks, no distancing, but you can be sure that there was COVID present. We have to wait a fortnight to see the end result of that, but it finally dawned on me that this is a deliberate tactic by the Government to get as many people as possible to catch the virus, with the hope that the much vaunted 'herd immunity' is achieved. They are gambling with us. It makes my blood run cold. The same sort of disdain for 'the common man' that Kitchener and his generals showed in the First World War.
How do you like being a human petrie dish?
In the meantime, roll on Sunday.
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Post by flashman on Jul 8, 2021 20:05:03 GMT
I believe Kitchener or at least the other generals had more empathy and humanity, as well as believing in something other than just themselves and looking out for themselves.
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Post by Willshakes. on Jul 8, 2021 20:25:01 GMT
I have the same opinion. Society is changing rapidly. I'm sure it will go onto the next society. 89% of Society don't understand 11% do. Sport/Football don't really cross these lines. It's good to give a Society hope and expectation but it's short-lived, I'd like a longer term solution for my kids.
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Post by orde on Jul 8, 2021 22:12:06 GMT
Congratulations to England. Denmark deserved it for parking the bus. Beast, who do you cheer for in an Italy vs England final?
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Post by OneBeat on Jul 9, 2021 7:58:25 GMT
I don't think I have ever felt so disconnected from football. I watched the game the other night, and spent most of the second half with headphones on listening to music.
In other news, I have a sore throat, which is odd as I haven't been out near any people. where did it come from? Also, my dad's brother died yesterday, just over a month after dad died.
What a time to be alive.
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Post by saintsfan73 on Jul 9, 2021 8:08:25 GMT
I don't think I have ever felt so disconnected from football. I watched the game the other night, and spent most of the second half with headphones on listening to music. In other news, I have a sore throat, which is odd as I haven't been out near any people. where did it come from? Also, my dad's brother died yesterday, just over a month after dad died. What a time to be alive. How come? I've really enjoyed the Euros, they have been everything the PL isn't. If anything they have actually reconnected a lot of people to the game.
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Post by saintsfan73 on Jul 9, 2021 8:32:25 GMT
the overriding feeling, was of the despair of seeing that huge crowd and crowds all over the country. No masks, no distancing, but you can be sure that there was COVID present. We have to wait a fortnight to see the end result of that, but it finally dawned on me that this is a deliberate tactic by the Government to get as many people as possible to catch the virus, with the hope that the much vaunted 'herd immunity' is achieved. They are gambling with us. It makes my blood run cold. The same sort of disdain for 'the common man' that Kitchener and his generals showed in the First World War. How do you like being a human petrie dish? In the meantime, roll on Sunday. Before we go on (yet) another rant against the Government, can we look at a few facts. Personally, we spent the best part of year indoors without going out at all so are understandably a bit concerned about the impending end of the mask mandate and social distancing. However, it's important to remember a few things. Firstly, Covid seems a virus that splits into two, to the young and healthy it is such an inconsequential thing that a high % of those infected will not even know they are, but to the other half, the elderly and vulnerable it is a virtual death sentence. We are now in the position that all of the elderly and vulnerable have been double jabbed and even though the vaccine is not 100% efficient this is a huge thing. Amongst all the tin-foil stuff on MLT's twitter I did notice one thing that made sense. It was him quoting a thread of a person re-tweeting a post from the beginning of March and saying the comments haven't aged well. The post was from the Governor of Texas saying the mask mandate has ended and all business are now fully open with no social distancing. The replies were all the same as we are seeing now, the virus will take hold again, deaths will sore and we will all be locked down once again. But what has happened in Texas in the 6 months since then? None of this. As Orde confirmed first hand, hospitalisations from Covid are very low as is the death rate. I can't see why things should be any different here.
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Post by spot51 on Jul 9, 2021 8:49:12 GMT
Yes the Euros have been good but I feel ambivalent about England's success.
Having analysed why this is, I think that it has much to do with being promised that Football was "Coming Home" in 1996 when my mates and I invested our time, money and emotions in that event. We attended 11 matches including all bar 2 England games which, from the IOW, is a major logistical feat. In 2021, old, incapacitated and doubtless bitter, I'm obliged to experience this event vicariously from home - and I resent England being good now, but not good enough then. Why should these w@nkers who boo anthems and boo our team taking the knee get to enjoy England's success.
The sight of that lowlife arsehole Bojo wearing an England shirt filled me with rage. How dare that bloody traitor turn up at Wembley and try to attach himself to the success of a team built from all that is noble and decent in our country? I'm proud of Gareth and his enlightened management style and I love our great young players who represent the future - not the past our useless government hankers for. If the Tories had been in charge since England last won the world cup, just 3 of the current England team would qualify to play. The rest would be somewhere else, their parents or grand parents labelled "cockroaches" (to quote the current Home Secretary) and refused entry.
So I am torn. The FA have taken the necessary steps to improve player development processes and appointed a talented and considerate man to lead them I was delighted to hear GNev's barbed comment on Wednesday: "Southgate shows all the leadership skills so lacking in our country in the past 18 months"- right on, Sir! So well done them.
But I remain British - not English. I cannot fully to commit to celebrating the success of decent Englishmen when I know it will be highjacked by the yobbos, racists and, worse still, the Tory party who had SFA to do with the sole success this country has had since our also young, diverse and decent athletes did so well at the 2012 Olympics.
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Post by saintsfan73 on Jul 9, 2021 9:20:14 GMT
In summary, you can't support England as the Tories are in government. I've no idea why people are getting so annoyed about fans booing things, it's been like that with football for as long as I've been watching the game. It's certainly odd to hark back to the 80s as if this was a time when football fans behaved well.... If you want fans behaving in a respectful manner watch rugby instead, it's never been the case with football, it just goes with the territory. If having some fans who are yobbos and racists are stopping you support England then I've no idea why you didn't stop supporting the team 40 years ago when bananas were being chucked at John Barnes.
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Post by saintsfan73 on Jul 9, 2021 9:31:50 GMT
Yes the Euros have been good but I feel ambivalent about England's success. Having analysed why this is, I think that it has much to do with being promised that Football was "Coming Home" in 1996 when my mates and I invested our time, money and emotions in that event. We attended 11 matches including all bar 2 England games which, from the IOW, is a major logistical feat. In 2021, old, incapacitated and doubtless bitter, I'm obliged to experience this event vicariously from home - and I resent England being good now, but not good enough then. Why should these w@nkers who boo anthems and boo our team taking the knee get to enjoy England's success. The sight of that lowlife arsehole Bojo wearing an England shirt filled me with rage. How dare that bloody traitor turn up at Wembley and try to attach himself to the success of a team built from all that is noble and decent in our country? I'm proud of Gareth and his enlightened management style and I love our great young players who represent the future - not the past our useless government hankers for. If the Tories had been in charge since England last won the world cup, just 3 of the current England team would qualify to play. The rest would be somewhere else, their parents or grand parents labelled "cockroaches" (to q uote the current Home Secretary) and refused entry.
So I am torn. The FA have taken the necessary steps to improve player development processes and appointed a talented and considerate man to lead them I was delighted to hear GNev's barbed comment on Wednesday: "Southgate shows all the leadership skills so lacking in our country in the past 18 months"- right on, Sir! So well done them.
But I remain British - not English. I cannot fully to commit to celebrating the success of decent Englishmen when I know it will be highjacked by the yobbos, racists and, worse still, the Tory party who had SFA to do with the sole success this country has had since our also young, diverse and decent athletes did so well at the 2012 Olympics. Did you not have these feelings in '96 spot51 ? Was the Scotland game one of the ones you went to? I've just listened to the anthems on the below link and you could barely hear the Scottish anthem for all the boos that were ringing around Wembley. www.itv.com/hub/euro-96-relived/7a0288a0013
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Post by Furry Frank The Combat Wombat on Jul 9, 2021 9:39:35 GMT
Apologies for being quiet yesterday, I was hungover in the morning then really busy catching up in the afternoon.. I wasn't the only one, most of our builders didn't turn up.
..think I'd better book Mon morning off.
I've enjoyed the Euros, certainly the latter half as missed much of the first 2 matches; it probably helped having my trip to the UK & going to mates' and watching with them so got a bit of the "pub atmosphere"... on Weds' game we had a call for extra time with a mate (at watch party if you will), so that added something; so might do similar again Sun (I'm certainly not going into town, not that I'd be able to book anywhere by now).
I don't like the booing, but it comes as no surprise after the last few years to be reminded that a substantial proportion of the population are arseholes, so I won't let it spoil my enjoyment. As for the politicians jumping on the bandwagon, when have they ever not? Surely the point of watching sport is a bit of an escape from the shit, so allowing things like that to spoil it, it's only you that's losing out.
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Post by jickster on Jul 9, 2021 10:37:11 GMT
I remember in 93, Graham Taylor making a special plea to the fans not to boo the Dutch anthem after the San Marino anthem had been booed, he said that while it might intimidate the San Marinese players, the Dutch will just get angry and want to take it out on the team. Of course the fans ignored this and booed anyway. So this has been going on for a long time. Although I will say that it doesn't take many people to make a loud boo. One of the few England games I did see was at Old Trafford against Wales in 2004, the Welsh anthem got a very loud boo but when I looked round I couldn't actually see many people doing it, so the minority potentially have a big impact as always with England fans. Spot, I thought you were supporting Scotland against England anyway? So we wouldn't want you jumping on the bandwagon now anyway
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Post by channonite on Jul 9, 2021 17:01:50 GMT
the overriding feeling, was of the despair of seeing that huge crowd and crowds all over the country. No masks, no distancing, but you can be sure that there was COVID present. We have to wait a fortnight to see the end result of that, but it finally dawned on me that this is a deliberate tactic by the Government to get as many people as possible to catch the virus, with the hope that the much vaunted 'herd immunity' is achieved. They are gambling with us. It makes my blood run cold. The same sort of disdain for 'the common man' that Kitchener and his generals showed in the First World War. How do you like being a human petrie dish? In the meantime, roll on Sunday. Before we go on (yet) another rant against the Government, can we look at a few facts. Personally, we spent the best part of year indoors without going out at all so are understandably a bit concerned about the impending end of the mask mandate and social distancing. However, it's important to remember a few things. Firstly, Covid seems a virus that splits into two, to the young and healthy it is such an inconsequential thing that a high % of those infected will not even know they are, but to the other half, the elderly and vulnerable it is a virtual death sentence. We are now in the position that all of the elderly and vulnerable have been double jabbed and even though the vaccine is not 100% efficient this is a huge thing. Amongst all the tin-foil stuff on MLT's twitter I did notice one thing that made sense. It was him quoting a thread of a person re-tweeting a post from the beginning of March and saying the comments haven't aged well. The post was from the Governor of Texas saying the mask mandate has ended and all business are now fully open with no social distancing. The replies were all the same as we are seeing now, the virus will take hold again, deaths will sore and we will all be locked down once again. But what has happened in Texas in the 6 months since then? None of this. As Orde confirmed first hand, hospitalisations from Covid are very low as is the death rate. I can't see why things should be any different here. It's not deaths that is the problem, it's all the other respiratory things that it triggers. One of my colleagues daughter is a GP and she caught it in February last year and only now is able to manage the stairs in her home. People are thinking about this in way to simplistic terms, it's way, way more complicated than that. just look at what is starting to happen in A&E departments now. We may be lucky, we may not, but the Government is gambling. no other way to describe it.
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Post by lenpa on Jul 9, 2021 19:41:06 GMT
It's not deaths that is the problem, it's all the other respiratory things that it triggers. One of my colleagues daughter is a GP and she caught it in February last year and only now is able to manage the stairs in her home. People are thinking about this in way to simplistic terms, it's way, way more complicated than that. just look at what is starting to happen in A&E departments now. We may be lucky, we may not, but the Government is gambling. no other way to describe it. I agree - it is mainly a gamble. I also think it is highly difficult as it is not mainly about death but about long-term effects. I also know some people fighting with the long-term effects for several month now. And the UEFA just think it is important to have a tournament in several countries and think it is good to have thousands of fans in a stadiums (what is good in general) during a pandemic - and at the same time Japan do not allows fans to join fans at the Olympics...
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