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Post by Willshakes. on Jul 12, 2021 18:03:42 GMT
The ugly side of football raised it's head again last night. This petition has nearly 1/2 Million signatures. You don't need to donate -just share if you wish. The minority of morons NEED TO BE SILENCED. chng.it/zJTLkVvZRsCheers all Wills. |
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Post by saintpaddy on Jul 12, 2021 18:58:40 GMT
The ugly side of football raised it's head again last night. This petition has nearly 1/2 Million signatures. You don't need to donate -just share if you wish. The minority of morons NEED TO BE SILENCED. chng.it/zJTLkVvZRsCheers all Wills. Unfortunately every club has racists among its fans and it was forever so and is unlikely to be stopped now. We have our thugs as can be seen when they stand in front of people making it impossible for the game to be seen and they just don't care. A few beers and they will take on the world. Sadly the clubs never seem to do anything about it and the police dont seem to care. When the clubs make these people unwelcome then we may see a change. |
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Post by Willshakes. on Jul 12, 2021 19:57:45 GMT
The ugly side of football raised it's head again last night. This petition has nearly 1/2 Million signatures. You don't need to donate -just share if you wish. The minority of morons NEED TO BE SILENCED. chng.it/zJTLkVvZRsCheers all Wills. Unfortunately every club has racists among its fans and it was forever so and is unlikely to be stopped now. We have our thugs as can be seen when they stand in front of people making it impossible for the game to be seen and they just don't care. A few beers and they will take on the world. Sadly the clubs never seem to do anything about it and the police don't seem to care. When the clubs make these people unwelcome then we may see a change.
The BIGGER THE VOICE SaintPaddy the LOUDER THE REACTION . I'm only interested in this Minority being held to account. Society in the UK needs to embrace this.  |
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Post by saintpaddy on Jul 13, 2021 7:44:39 GMT
Unfortunately every club has racists among its fans and it was forever so and is unlikely to be stopped now. We have our thugs as can be seen when they stand in front of people making it impossible for the game to be seen and they just don't care. A few beers and they will take on the world. Sadly the clubs never seem to do anything about it and the police don't seem to care. When the clubs make these people unwelcome then we may see a change.
The BIGGER THE VOICE SaintPaddy the LOUDER THE REACTION . I'm only interested in this Minority being held to account. Society in the UK needs to embrace this. View Attachment The question is "how much a minority" are they? Recently the Met Police have been found guilty of this very crime. Never forget that racism touches the lives of more than those of colour and I fail to count the times I have been told "feck off back where you come from". You have had a government voted in on a racist card and you have only to look at Eastern Europeans to see that. Sadly this "minority" is very big. |
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Post by saintsfan73 on Jul 13, 2021 8:18:34 GMT
This is another negative of social media. I'm sure after Paul Ince missed his penalty for England in France '98, up and down the country ignorant idiots were shouting racial slurs at the TV. Fast forward to today and the same sort of idiot is now doing the same but instead smashing their fingers into their phones and putting this on to Social Media. I've no idea how the Police are expected to have the manpower to keep a check on this. Making people provide ID to set up a social media account is one solution to this but the companies that run them are strongly against this.
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Post by Willshakes. on Jul 13, 2021 8:26:02 GMT
The BIGGER THE VOICE SaintPaddy the LOUDER THE REACTION . I'm only interested in this Minority being held to account. Society in the UK needs to embrace this. View Attachment The question is "how much a minority" are they? Recently the Met Police have been found guilty of this very crime. Never forget that racism touches the lives of more than those of colour and I fail to count the times I have been told "feck off back where you come from". You have had a government voted in on a racist card and you have only to look at Eastern Europeans to see that. Sadly this "minority" is very big. I'm afraid I have to agree with you St Paddy. ‘No Blacks, No Dogs, No Irish’ My Grandfather was Irish & would reminisce about this. He also gained 16 Medals, which I have, and am proud to have from his service in WW2. It is sadly a big problem. To start with Social Media companies can easily rectify the online thugs and education could amend it's curriculum. |
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Post by jickster on Jul 13, 2021 8:27:26 GMT
I have signed it.
I think that it is quite loosely defined 'Ban racists for life from all football matches in England', because what exactly does this constitute? There are lots of actions that some would argue are racist, but others wouldn't, see taking the knee. But the petition is near 800,000 now and if it continues to gain momentum then it's sending a message that we've had enough of this.
I'm not sure if I really follow Paddy's point above, are you suggesting it's not worth it?
You say "Sadly the clubs never seem to do anything about it and the police dont seem to care. When the clubs make these people unwelcome then we may see a change.", this is exactly what the petition is arguing- do something more substantial to make a change. If someone does get involved in racist chanting for example, then we're quite happy for a pretty draconian punishment of banning for life. Anonymity on social media makes identifying individuals difficult in most cases, but not all, and again we're happy for someone who sends racist abuse online to be banned from all matches.
It's really difficult to actually enforce these, but at least we're showing that there's a sense that the majority will support action that is taken.
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Post by saintpaddy on Jul 13, 2021 9:10:48 GMT
I have signed it. I think that it is quite loosely defined 'Ban racists for life from all football matches in England', because what exactly does this constitute? There are lots of actions that some would argue are racist, but others wouldn't, see taking the knee. But the petition is near 800,000 now and if it continues to gain momentum then it's sending a message that we've had enough of this. I'm not sure if I really follow Paddy's point above, are you suggesting it's not worth it? You say "Sadly the clubs never seem to do anything about it and the police dont seem to care. When the clubs make these people unwelcome then we may see a change.", this is exactly what the petition is arguing- do something more substantial to make a change. If someone does get involved in racist chanting for example, then we're quite happy for a pretty draconian punishment of banning for life. Anonymity on social media makes identifying individuals difficult in most cases, but not all, and again we're happy for someone who sends racist abuse online to be banned from all matches. It's really difficult to actually enforce these, but at least we're showing that there's a sense that the majority will support action that is taken. No my friend what I am saying is that it is too narrow. There was a time when racism was open wide and few if any did anything about it. Today it is the mystery men and women behind an assumed name on Social Media. The strange thing is that many of those are from ethnic backgrounds themselves. Take a look at the background of Yaxley-Lennox and you may see what I am talking about. His ancestry is Irish. There is more I could say but would rather not. |
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Post by jickster on Jul 13, 2021 10:09:34 GMT
I have signed it. I think that it is quite loosely defined 'Ban racists for life from all football matches in England', because what exactly does this constitute? There are lots of actions that some would argue are racist, but others wouldn't, see taking the knee. But the petition is near 800,000 now and if it continues to gain momentum then it's sending a message that we've had enough of this. I'm not sure if I really follow Paddy's point above, are you suggesting it's not worth it? You say "Sadly the clubs never seem to do anything about it and the police dont seem to care. When the clubs make these people unwelcome then we may see a change.", this is exactly what the petition is arguing- do something more substantial to make a change. If someone does get involved in racist chanting for example, then we're quite happy for a pretty draconian punishment of banning for life. Anonymity on social media makes identifying individuals difficult in most cases, but not all, and again we're happy for someone who sends racist abuse online to be banned from all matches. It's really difficult to actually enforce these, but at least we're showing that there's a sense that the majority will support action that is taken. No my friend what I am saying is that it is too narrow. There was a time when racism was open wide and few if any did anything about it. Today it is the mystery men and women behind an assumed name on Social Media. The strange thing is that many of those are from ethnic backgrounds themselves. Take a look at the background of Yaxley-Lennox and you may see what I am talking about. His ancestry is Irish. There is more I could say but would rather not. Ok, I get your idea now. You're dead right, of course it applies on a wider scale and until it's eradicated then we've got a problem. But these things have to start somewhere, and I see this as a message that the majority are asking for more to be done, somehow. |
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Post by Willshakes. on Jul 13, 2021 18:10:30 GMT
No my friend what I am saying is that it is too narrow. There was a time when racism was open wide and few if any did anything about it. Today it is the mystery men and women behind an assumed name on Social Media. The strange thing is that many of those are from ethnic backgrounds themselves. Take a look at the background of Yaxley-Lennox and you may see what I am talking about. His ancestry is Irish. There is more I could say but would rather not. Ok, I get your idea now. You're dead right, of course it applies on a wider scale and until it's eradicated then we've got a problem. But these things have to start somewhere, and I see this as a message that the majority are asking for more to be done, somehow. I have a Worldwide Digital Business. This would be a start. Unfortunately huge technology companies put profit over society. It's certainly a long journey but every journey begins with a first step. Algorithms can remove content at a greater scale and a faster speed than people, and can potentially avoid the torture and trauma that many human moderators have to endure working, often as contractors, for huge technology platforms. |
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Post by Willshakes. on Jul 13, 2021 18:52:49 GMT
As mentioned. This is a long journey Gentleman. Those first steps are now being taken. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-57824639Personally I don't care if you're Black, White, Brown, Different culture or country, Gay, Cross gender, Bi, or Transgender. People buy people. This is the 21st Century and the majority need to act. It should start with the education curriculum and the greed of the Social Media Giants and Politicians in all democratic countries. It will take a few years. The end of this journey will hopefully bring a better society for my daughters. |
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Post by channonite on Jul 13, 2021 21:18:03 GMT
I see that the petition is inching towards a million signatures. At the moment, it is up to almost 967,000.
If you haven't signed it yet, please do so now. Thanks.
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