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Post by Sir B3na1i on Sept 23, 2022 11:02:42 GMT
It's almost like other countries didn't also spend similar amounts (per person) and aren't supporting the war in Ukraine... Guess what, they did and they are... What could it be?! And just to back that up - I've just checked Germany, France and the UK all had almost identical 'wage replacement' levels per person during covid Things don't seem to be too rosy with the cost of living around Europe and our government don't seem to be doing as good a job of managing the energy companies as other do but, hey if you think this more down to leaving the EU than the effects of COVID/Ukraine I'm not going to convince you to put down the pillow am I?  We know it's rubbish everywhere, the question still remains why is it worse here? Look what the EU are doing - they're collectively managing the energy crisis AND they're taxing the companies rather than here where we're effectively taking out a mortgage on our energy bills that the UK tax payer will be paying back. The size of that 'mortgage' isn't even as large as the EXTRAordinary profits (not profits, extra profits) that the energy companies are making... So, we're doing financial damage to a country so energy companies can make massive extraordinary profits rather than just extraordinary ones! It's great doing this on our own isn't it! |
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Post by saintsfan73 on Sept 23, 2022 11:06:16 GMT
Things don't seem to be too rosy with the cost of living around Europe and our government don't seem to be doing as good a job of managing the energy companies as other do but, hey if you think this more down to leaving the EU than the effects of COVID/Ukraine I'm not going to convince you to put down the pillow am I? We know it's rubbish everywhere, the question still remains why is it worse here? Look what the EU are doing - they're collectively managing the energy crisis AND they're taxing the companies rather than here where we're effectively taking out a mortgage on our energy bills that the UK tax payer will be paying back. The size of that 'mortgage' isn't even as large as the EXTRAordinary profits (not profits, extra profits) that the energy companies are making... So, we're doing financial damage to a country so energy companies can make massive extraordinary profits rather than just extraordinary ones! It's great doing this on our own isn't it! But the EU aren't a country (don't tell them that tho ffs!) so how are they taking taxes from anyone? Even if we were still in the EU do think the government would be dealing with Centrica, etc any differently? |
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Post by Sir B3na1i on Sept 23, 2022 11:10:01 GMT
We know it's rubbish everywhere, the question still remains why is it worse here? Look what the EU are doing - they're collectively managing the energy crisis AND they're taxing the companies rather than here where we're effectively taking out a mortgage on our energy bills that the UK tax payer will be paying back. The size of that 'mortgage' isn't even as large as the EXTRAordinary profits (not profits, extra profits) that the energy companies are making... So, we're doing financial damage to a country so energy companies can make massive extraordinary profits rather than just extraordinary ones! It's great doing this on our own isn't it! But the EU aren't a country (don't tell them that tho ffs!) so how are they taking taxes from anyone? Even if we were still in the EU do think the government would be dealing with Centrica, etc any differently? OK smart arse - they've collectively agreed a way of dealing with it. And guess what, if a country in the EU doesn't want to go with that approach they don't have to. It's almost like we were being lied to when they said they control our rules and laws etc... |
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Post by saintsfan73 on Sept 23, 2022 11:18:01 GMT
But the EU aren't a country (don't tell them that tho ffs!) so how are they taking taxes from anyone? Even if we were still in the EU do think the government would be dealing with Centrica, etc any differently? OK smart arse - they've collectively agreed a way of dealing with it. And guess what, if a country in the EU doesn't want to go with that approach they don't have to. It's almost like we were being lied to when they said they control our rules and laws etc... So you agree that, even if a (small) majority hadn't voted leave in the EU referendum then we would still be ploughing our own furrow in terms of dealing with the energy companies? Glad we've reached common (market?) ground that the cost of living crisis is not down to the result of the referendum.  |
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Post by Furry Frank The Combat Wombat on Sept 23, 2022 11:24:35 GMT
It's batshit crazy.. the reverse in NI and lower rate cut makes a tiny bit of sense as we're in recession (of course it won't have as much of an effect as, say, removing the ridiculous barriers to trade they've erected, but you can't slay the holy cow.), but the higher rate change and bonus cap removal is just blatant robbery.
Basically they're taking the lessons of Boris' rule and running with them ... you can just do what you like and feather your and your mates' nests and the future be damned - at some point they'll be ousted from power, but there'll be no consequences for them, so why not make hay while the sun shines. If it looks like a genuine socialist goverment will come in to replace them as an eventual result of their raping and pillage, just make sure you've offshored all your ill-gotten gains first.
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Post by Sir B3na1i on Sept 23, 2022 11:24:41 GMT
OK smart arse - they've collectively agreed a way of dealing with it. And guess what, if a country in the EU doesn't want to go with that approach they don't have to. It's almost like we were being lied to when they said they control our rules and laws etc... So you agree that, even if a (small) majority hadn't voted leave in the EU referendum then we would still be ploughing our own furrow in terms of dealing with the energy companies? Glad we've reached common (market?) ground that the cost of living crisis is not down to the result of the referendum. I know you're not as stupid as you pretend to be. In the EU we had options, outside of it we don't. It's really quite simple. You're also putting all of the cost of living at the door of the energy market, covid and Ukraine and ignoring all of the other costs of trade that now exist as a result of Brexit |
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Post by OneBeat on Sept 23, 2022 11:27:49 GMT
The Tories never change, they just get more emboldened. They are in power to make the rich richer, and feck the rest of us. Unless people wake up we'll lose the NHS too. feck the tories and feck capitalism (I guess I'll be sent to a re-education camp at some point in the near future).
Cripes, I really need a cup of tea, something to eat and probably I need to get my 7Seconds records out (again) for some positivity.
S and B have indicated that they want to watch England tonight, oh bugger.
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Post by THE BEAST on Sept 23, 2022 11:30:13 GMT
can I just say as regards the original post, I am WHOLLY IN AGREEMENT, I could have written it myself!
The fact that these Tory feckers keep trying to foist this obvious fallacy (trickle-down) on us just defies my fecking brain
I know a lot of people think they are not good at maths, but you don't need to be good at maths, you just need to be good at people to figure out that trickle-down economics is complete bollocks invented by rich people to keep them rich.
And as for Brexit not fecking the UK, do not pretend to be quite as retarded as you are making out SF 73, I know you can think inside the little troll bubble you make yourself sometimes, I know that you know that actually this is bollocks but you are sticking to your ground because otherwise… Well that would have made you wrong all the way through… But don't worry about it, we aren't changing either… The difference is that we KNOW we are right and you must now realise you weren't.
In other news, the New England strip looks like shit
I spent too much money on a new hobby
Lots of bills are happening… Bollocks
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Post by Furry Frank The Combat Wombat on Sept 23, 2022 11:39:43 GMT
Can't disagree with most of you, apart from the one being a little tinker.
In other news, the weather's changed just in time for me standing around in a field tomorrow, and the rail strike means the stag I was due to go to has just been cancelled so I've had to throw £70 down the drain for the flights I had booked as it costs more to move them to another date.
And there's no football (although, given recent games that might be a silver lining)
So, by and large doom and gloom.
I guess the one positive is we just got our leccy bill for the summer 1/4.. £120 (and no gas)! So at least the investment in solar panels is starting to pay off (although I can't get the true picture til I can assess the full year with less sun and heating on in the winter.)
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Post by Furry Frank The Combat Wombat on Sept 23, 2022 11:45:05 GMT
Trickle down economics has never been seen or proven to work. The more the people at the top get, the more they will either buy bigger boats or hide it away in offshore accounts. Trickle up economics, on the other hand. If you give more money to the lowest paid, they will spend it and it will go back into the economy, raising the tide for everyone. Truss and Kwarteng (and that c*n* Rees Mogg) are dangerous. In spite of every credible expert telling them they are wrong, they are convinced they are right and will blunder on. Fortunately, they do not have enough bank bench support and they will be stopped before they get too far down their various routes to desctruction. (What's the difference between a train and a Tory c*n*? The train stops when it goes off the rails). Not defending it, but it may have worked to some extent in theory in earlier capitalism where funds were less mobile and some of the notable early industrialists realised there was some benefit in investing in their local areas to improve the quality of life of their employees (ignoring other examples of Victorian exploitation) so they didn't die so quickly, but there's certainly no evidence of it now. |
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Post by Sir B3na1i on Sept 23, 2022 11:50:28 GMT
Trickle down economics has never been seen or proven to work. The more the people at the top get, the more they will either buy bigger boats or hide it away in offshore accounts. Trickle up economics, on the other hand. If you give more money to the lowest paid, they will spend it and it will go back into the economy, raising the tide for everyone. Truss and Kwarteng (and that c*n* Rees Mogg) are dangerous. In spite of every credible expert telling them they are wrong, they are convinced they are right and will blunder on. Fortunately, they do not have enough bank bench support and they will be stopped before they get too far down their various routes to desctruction. (What's the difference between a train and a Tory c*n*? The train stops when it goes off the rails). Not defending it, but it may have worked to some extent in theory in earlier capitalism where funds were less mobile and some of the notable early industrialists realised there was some benefit in investing in their local areas to improve the quality of life of their employees (ignoring other examples of Victorian exploitation) so they didn't die so quickly, but there's certainly no evidence of it now. Exactly that. Outdated by modern, global living (like Brexit), where the reality is the rich will take their tax breaks and spend them somewhere nice (in another country more than likely). They aren't going down the local pub and making sure the doors stay open are they |
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Post by Sir B3na1i on Sept 23, 2022 11:58:21 GMT
All of this said I think we should all just wait and see what Matt Le Tiss has to say about this before we make our mind up
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Post by saintsfan73 on Sept 23, 2022 13:05:05 GMT
And as for Brexit not fecking the UK, do not pretend to be quite as retarded as you are making out SF 73, I know you can think inside the little troll bubble you make yourself sometimes, I know that you know that actually this is bollocks but you are sticking to your ground because otherwise… Well that would have made you wrong all the way through… But don't worry about it, we aren't changing either… The difference is that we KNOW we are right and you must now realise you weren't. Weren't right about what? My views on Brexit have been the same from Day 1. I didn't vote for it and knew it would have a negative impact on the UK but continue to be amused to how devoted some are to the EU. We are in a position now where times are not good in every corner of the globe, we've had a pandemic no one could have predicted which has caused huge impacts to every country's economy and then followed this with a Russian invasion of Ukraine which has f'ked the European energy market coupled with a government which doesn't seem to know what it's doing. So if any EU zealot is trying to tell me that the situation in the UK is largely down, not to this, but to Brexit then I'll just laugh at them. |
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Post by saintsfan73 on Sept 23, 2022 13:08:13 GMT
So you agree that, even if a (small) majority hadn't voted leave in the EU referendum then we would still be ploughing our own furrow in terms of dealing with the energy companies? Glad we've reached common (market?) ground that the cost of living crisis is not down to the result of the referendum. I know you're not as stupid as you pretend to be. In the EU we had options, outside of it we don't. It's really quite simple. You're also putting all of the cost of living at the door of the energy market, covid and Ukraine and ignoring all of the other costs of trade that now exist as a result of Brexit You didn't answer my question though. Even if we were were still in the EU do you think the Government's handling of the big energy companies would be any different? |
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Post by saintsfan73 on Sept 23, 2022 13:08:47 GMT
Channers is going to be so sad his minces have prevented him for missing a good old Brexit debate! |
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