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Post by Sir B3na1i on Sept 23, 2022 13:14:57 GMT
I know you're not as stupid as you pretend to be. In the EU we had options, outside of it we don't. It's really quite simple. You're also putting all of the cost of living at the door of the energy market, covid and Ukraine and ignoring all of the other costs of trade that now exist as a result of Brexit You didn't answer my question though. Even if we were were still in the EU do you think the Government's handling of the big energy companies would be any different? Yes, because the pressure would be on to at least consider the EUs method and would potentially get voted through the house
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Post by Furry Frank The Combat Wombat on Sept 23, 2022 16:34:10 GMT
And as for Brexit not fecking the UK, do not pretend to be quite as retarded as you are making out SF 73, I know you can think inside the little troll bubble you make yourself sometimes, I know that you know that actually this is bollocks but you are sticking to your ground because otherwise… Well that would have made you wrong all the way through… But don't worry about it, we aren't changing either… The difference is that we KNOW we are right and you must now realise you weren't. Weren't right about what? My views on Brexit have been the same from Day 1. I didn't vote for it and knew it would have a negative impact on the UK but continue to be amused to how devoted some are to the EU. We are in a position now where times are not good in every corner of the globe, we've had a pandemic no one could have predicted which has caused huge impacts to every country's economy and then followed this with a Russian invasion of Ukraine which has f'ked the European energy market coupled with a government which doesn't seem to know what it's doing. So if any EU zealot is trying to tell me that the situation in the UK is largely down, not to this, but to Brexit then I'll just laugh at them. Don't be a silly sausage. Yes, the other factors are causing significant problems, but the economy is not going to recover when you've shut the door to your main trading partner. So now they're using the effects of a problem partly of their own making as an excuse to give our cash to their mates. When the economic effects of fuel prices, the war and covid have gone away, the economy still won't be as healthy as it was before. That's not being devoted to the EU, just an observation that if you put your market stall in a locked cupboard, you're not going to sell many onions.
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Post by spot51 on Sept 23, 2022 18:05:27 GMT
It's almost like other countries didn't also spend similar amounts (per person) and aren't supporting the war in Ukraine... Guess what, they did and they are... What could it be?! And just to back that up - I've just checked Germany, France and the UK all had almost identical 'wage replacement' levels per person during covid If memory serves France started before and finished after UK's scheme. I remember seething hearing the Tories make out like they were the only ones in the world doing this when they actually behind the curve. The only thing UK did better was vaccine development but that had everything to do with great research science and feck all with the useless Tories - yet they always claim credit. Things they could control - like closing the borders - they delayed by a year causing a quarter of a million deaths. Anyone thinking of voting for those charlatans should be sectioned on grounds of public safety.
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Post by Mandochris on Sept 24, 2022 10:51:00 GMT
If memory serves France started before and finished after UK's scheme. I remember seething hearing the Tories make out like they were the only ones in the world doing this when they actually behind the curve. The only thing UK did better was vaccine development but that had everything to do with great research science and feck all with the useless Tories - yet they always claim credit. And even that was an Anglo Swedish company under a French CEO, with an international project team that happened to be based in Oxford as part of a European initiative (that probably wouldn't happen under the same conditions post Brexit). But still the Tories managed to claim it.
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Post by spot51 on Sept 24, 2022 11:52:58 GMT
The only thing UK did better was vaccine development but that had everything to do with great research science and feck all with the useless Tories - yet they always claim credit. And even that was an Anglo Swedish company under a French CEO, with an international project team that happened to be based in Oxford as part of a European initiative (that probably wouldn't happen under the same conditions post Brexit). But still the Tories managed to claim it. You can't blame them for grabbing at any success. Every Conservative administration in history has left the country worse off. It is like everything they touch turns to shit.
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Post by dontknowcantremember on Sept 24, 2022 13:53:26 GMT
The only thing UK did better was vaccine development but that had everything to do with great research science and feck all with the useless Tories - yet they always claim credit. And even that was an Anglo Swedish company under a French CEO, with an international project team that happened to be based in Oxford as part of a European initiative (that probably wouldn't happen under the same conditions post Brexit). But still the Tories managed to claim it. And the Anglo-Swedish company showed their nievity when it came to vaccine development, with poorly designed clinical trails. Hence all the grief they deservedly got politically around the world. I'd put that down to the egos of the French vet/CEO and his head of research. (Disclaimer:those two feckers made me redundant 6 years ago).
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Post by yateleysaint on Sept 24, 2022 15:13:48 GMT
Why’s the economic forecast for the UK worse than for the EU if not for Brexit?
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