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Post by spot51 on Sept 27, 2022 9:09:32 GMT
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Post by saintsfan73 on Sept 27, 2022 9:21:18 GMT
I heard that the City view Starmer more favourably and he has good experience of a top level job by doing well as head of the CPS. The issue to me is if/when he is elected can he avoid being sabotaged by the Socialists in his own Party? It's no exaggeration to say the Corbynite Momentum oddballs hate him far more than any Tory.
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Post by threehundred on Sept 27, 2022 9:23:50 GMT
I heard that the City view Starmer more favourably and he has good experience of a top level job by doing well as head of the CPS. The issue to me is if/when he is elected can he avoid being sabotaged by the Socialists in his own Party? It's no exaggeration to say the Corbynite Momentum oddballs hate him far more than any Tory. Sadly, I have to agree with this. Nothing is so capable of destroying Labour as the party itself |
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Post by Sir B3na1i on Sept 27, 2022 9:27:33 GMT
I heard that the City view Starmer more favourably and he has good experience of a top level job by doing well as head of the CPS. The issue to me is if/when he is elected can he avoid being sabotaged by the Socialists in his own Party? It's no exaggeration to say the Corbynite Momentum oddballs hate him far more than any Tory. Those momentum feckers need to grow up and realise if they don't unite in the party they will enable more of this shambles of a government. |
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Post by saintsfan73 on Sept 27, 2022 9:59:09 GMT
I heard that the City view Starmer more favourably and he has good experience of a top level job by doing well as head of the CPS. The issue to me is if/when he is elected can he avoid being sabotaged by the Socialists in his own Party? It's no exaggeration to say the Corbynite Momentum oddballs hate him far more than any Tory. Those momentum feckers need to grow up and realise if they don't unite in the party they will enable more of this shambles of a government. I think it sums up Corbyn himself, he would rather be fronting an idealistic protest group than actually governing. It's why he was unelectable. They only managed to get Corbyn installed as leader as they realised that the UK population has little interest in Politics and an incredibly small number are actually members of any political party. I can honestly say in my personal/work life I don't think I've ever come across anyone who is a paid up party member of any side. They noticed that if they could get a few thousands hard core Socialists and Marxist students to pay their dues they were able to rig the leader elections. It was like Tesco introducing a membership plan. 99.9% of people would be happy to shop there but not want to pay to become a member but the couple of thousand members then held an election and banned the sale of bread and milk and when people complained they would say it is democracy in action. |
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Post by Sir B3na1i on Sept 27, 2022 10:05:39 GMT
Those momentum feckers need to grow up and realise if they don't unite in the party they will enable more of this shambles of a government. I think it sums up Corbyn himself, he would rather be fronting an idealistic protest group than actually governing. It's why he was unelectable. They only managed to get Corbyn installed as leader as they realised that the UK population has little interest in Politics and an incredibly small number are actually members of any political party. I can honestly say in my personal/work life I don't think I've ever come across anyone who is a paid up party member of any side. They noticed that if they could get a few thousands hard core Socialists and Marxist students to pay their dues they were able to rig the leader elections. It was like Tesco introducing a membership plan. 99.9% of people would be happy to shop there but not want to pay to become a member but the couple of thousand members then held an election and banned the sale of bread and milk and when people complained they would say it is democracy in action. I was a member of the Labour Party but I binned it when all the Corbynites decided anyone that wasn't a hard-core corbynite was the antichrist. And yes, I know I didn't help by leaving but at a membership level it's basically all that bollocks all the time and it's tiring |
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Post by saintsfan73 on Sept 27, 2022 10:09:34 GMT
In fairness to Starmer he is doing a first rate job of purging Socialists from the Labour party. He's actually gone so far as actively trolling them by opening the Labour Party conference with the National Anthem!  |
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Post by saintsfan73 on Sept 27, 2022 10:51:36 GMT
I heard that the City view Starmer more favourably and he has good experience of a top level job by doing well as head of the CPS. The issue to me is if/when he is elected can he avoid being sabotaged by the Socialists in his own Party? It's no exaggeration to say the Corbynite Momentum oddballs hate him far more than any Tory. Those momentum feckers need to grow up and realise if they don't unite in the party they will enable more of this shambles of a government. Very apt, I noticed that Formerly of this Parish and his Momentum buddies were thinking the best solution for how things are is punching a cardboard cut-out of the Labour leader!  |
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Post by Sir B3na1i on Sept 27, 2022 11:23:06 GMT
Those momentum feckers need to grow up and realise if they don't unite in the party they will enable more of this shambles of a government. Very apt, I noticed that Formerly of this Parish and his Momentum buddies were thinking the best solution for how things are is punching a cardboard cut-out of the Labour leader! As I've said before, he seems very bitter these days. You can be bitter, that's fine but unless you're doing something constructive about it it's no use at all and the Momentum lot aren't being constructive but destructive. |
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Post by spot51 on Sept 27, 2022 15:06:11 GMT
Very apt, I noticed that Formerly of this Parish and his Momentum buddies were thinking the best solution for how things are is punching a cardboard cut-out of the Labour leader! As I've said before, he seems very bitter these days. You can be bitter, that's fine but unless you're doing something constructive about it it's no use at all and the Momentum lot aren't being constructive but destructive. If you get gangrene in your leg you're better off having it amputated. |
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Post by OneBeat on Sept 27, 2022 15:38:22 GMT
Starmer was one of those in the Labour Party who sabotaged Corbyn, and therefor any chance of defeating the Tories.
We need proper socialists, not Tories in red ties singing the national anthem and talking about "growth".
I haven't voted labour for years and years, they are nowhere near radical enough for me.
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Post by Sir B3na1i on Sept 27, 2022 15:42:12 GMT
Starmer was one of those in the Labour Party who sabotaged Corbyn, and therefor any chance of defeating the Tories. We need proper socialists, not Tories in red ties singing the national anthem and talking about "growth". I haven't voted labour for years and years, they are nowhere near radical enough for me. Unfortunately radical only appeals to a minority and to win elections you need more than that - e.g. when UKIP looked like they were going to take a minority of Tory votes and scupper their election chances the Tories offered up Brexit to kill of the extremes who'd vote for UKIP purely on that and look where we are today. I'm afraid doing what radicals want gets us into trouble on either Left or Right |
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Post by OneBeat on Sept 27, 2022 15:47:46 GMT
Starmer was one of those in the Labour Party who sabotaged Corbyn, and therefor any chance of defeating the Tories. We need proper socialists, not Tories in red ties singing the national anthem and talking about "growth". I haven't voted labour for years and years, they are nowhere near radical enough for me. Unfortunately radical only appeals to a minority and to win elections you need more than that - e.g. when UKIP looked like they were going to take a minority of Tory votes and scupper their election changes the Tories offered up Brexit to kill of the extremes who'd vote for UKIP purely on that and look where we are today. I'm afraid doing what radicals want gets us into trouble on either Left or Right I just think we need a real change, for the better, a fairer world where everyone has what the need to live a happy and fulfilling life, and no one gets left behind, or hoards riches in off shore accounts. Forget left or right, let's just have fairness. |
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Post by saintsfan73 on Sept 27, 2022 15:53:16 GMT
Unfortunately radical only appeals to a minority and to win elections you need more than that - e.g. when UKIP looked like they were going to take a minority of Tory votes and scupper their election changes the Tories offered up Brexit to kill of the extremes who'd vote for UKIP purely on that and look where we are today. I'm afraid doing what radicals want gets us into trouble on either Left or Right I just think we need a real change, for the better, a fairer world where everyone has what the need to live a happy and fulfilling life, and no one gets left behind, or hoards riches in off shore accounts. Forget left or right, let's just have fairness. But in reality that is never going to happen so rather than be idealistic and change nothing it's better to be pragmatic and change something. |
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Post by saintsfan73 on Sept 27, 2022 15:54:51 GMT
Starmer was one of those in the Labour Party who sabotaged Corbyn, and therefor any chance of defeating the Tories. We need proper socialists, not Tories in red ties singing the national anthem and talking about "growth". I haven't voted labour for years and years, they are nowhere near radical enough for me. Do the hard left really believe that bollux that Corbyn lost due to the actions of is own party as opposed to the fact that he was just unelecatable? |
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