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Post by yateleysaint on Aug 16, 2023 8:42:11 GMT
If it was me I’d be backing him in public and desperately trying to find someone much less shit in private.
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Post by ivangolac on Aug 23, 2023 6:23:55 GMT
Sticks nose out. You are all wrong.
We stick with him, we do not get promoted.
We could have had Butland or Johnstone, we got Bazunu.
His 22-23 XG conceded is -16 goals in 32 starts, a whopping .5 of a goal per game he should have saved. Before you bin the stat it is regulated. Add all the keepers together it balances to 0. He simply saves nearly nothing.
He has started the season with a 33% save rate. Now, the goals have been hard to save, but not impossible. His XG expected is 5, he has conceded 6. But it is still one per 3 games and around 15 per season if this continues. He doesn’t stop any of the half saves, the blinders. A worldy. Make a block from a thrashed shot, or a close up header. Just make one. We possibly beat Norwich and sit top, or certainly don’t need last minute winners to prevail.
He’s the reason we are in this league. It’s a FACT. Has to be replaced
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Post by yateleysaint on Aug 23, 2023 7:42:05 GMT
Sticks nose out. You are all wrong. We stick with him, we do not get promoted. We could have had Butland or Johnstone, we got Bazunu. His 22-23 XG conceded is -16 goals in 32 starts, a whopping .5 of a goal per game he should have saved. Before you bin the stat it is regulated. Add all the keepers together it balances to 0. He simply saves nearly nothing. He has started the season with a 33% save rate. Now, the goals have been hard to save, but not impossible. His XG expected is 5, he has conceded 6. But it is still one per 3 games and around 15 per season if this continues. He doesn’t stop any of the half saves, the blinders. A worldy. Make a block from a thrashed shot, or a close up header. Just make one. We possibly beat Norwich and sit top, or certainly don’t need last minute winners to prevail. He’s the reason we are in this league. It’s a FACT. Has to be replaced I know we are stuck with him but I find it bizarre that the club is insisting on living or dying with Baz when there’s so much emphasis on data driven decisions these days. We didn’t have the same access to data in the early noughties as we do now but anyone could see that Niemi was better than Jones (and that Maik Taylor was better than Jones too so it was a no brainer to make Niemi first choice. It seems such an obvious weakness in the team that could so easily be addressed but there’s this wilful blindness that has made him almost untouchable. You stick by your good players but you don’t have to prop up the crap ones if you want to be successful. |
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Post by ivangolac on Aug 23, 2023 8:00:03 GMT
PS…didn’t mean you were all wrong of course…turn of phrase and all that.
But football is not about giving a player like that a chance to come good. He’s the goalkeeper and we chucked him straight in.
To use a sensible comparison, The goalkeeper level of importance is similar to a Quarterback. Patrick Mahomes is seen as the current defacto number 1 QB in the NFL (yes, a couple bubbling around him, but go with me). After the NFL draft where he was seen as a superb prospect (no 10 pick), he played 1 dead rubber out of 16 games in season 1. 1 game.
Then with a completely convinced coaching staff he’s started nearly every game since picking up two Superbowls.
The difference in approach is unbelievable. We gambled and lost. Stick by Replace-Now
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Post by channonite on Aug 23, 2023 8:41:54 GMT
I continue to disagree. 😜
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Post by saintsfan73 on Aug 23, 2023 9:13:13 GMT
The reality is that Bazunu was thrown in too early, he may or may not recover from this. But making him the starting keeper in the PL at his age has negatively affected his career.
We could have picked up Sam Johnstone on a free from WBA last season. He ended up joining Palace as their backup keeper but is starting this season. He would have been perfect for our number 1 last season and Bazunu could have learnt from him and played in our cup games.
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Post by ivangolac on Aug 23, 2023 9:17:50 GMT
To put it another way….
With Johnstone in the sticks the opposition had to craft 4 shots on target to score a goal. With Bazunu in goal the opposition had to craft only 2 shots on target.
To add to the numbers (and I do care about stats) in 19 of his 32 games he conceded the first shot on target, this would have changed tactical game plans worked on all week on the training ground. This has not changed this season l in fact it has got worse so far.
And Johnstone is about to have his nose out right out of joint when Palace sign Henderson.
We could have had:
Johnstone
Henderson
Butland
Hart
Before the Saudi stuff happened we could have even have had Pope.
It isn’t his fault, it is the management. You can do it elsewhere on the pitch but you cannot do it in goal.
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Post by choixkoix on Aug 23, 2023 10:05:14 GMT
I think we all agree that a youthful keeper was a wild call when coupled with a young team last season. There was some rationale for targetting him as a signing, but we (yet again) burnt a young keeper in a weak team.
I was in two minds over him during the summer. Having now seen what Russell wants to do, I think it would be a very hard position for us to recruit in, with how comfortable the keeper needs to be with the ball. His distribution was often poor last season, but he's looked a lot more comfortable this season. Its helped that the back 4 are much more tuned into the need to retain posession and build play, whereas he was trying a higher percentage of vertical, longer passess to midfielders last season.
His performances now suggest a mental strength that gives me hope. The goals we have been conceding are from how open we have been without the right players subtly trained to handle counters or set plays, not from goalkeeping errors. Yes, we havent seen lots of evidence of heroic cat-like saves, but he's not out of his depth here, for sure.
He didnt seem to get any credit for the Plymouth non-penalty against Hardie. He didnt make the ball but showed correct technique in pulling away from contact with the player.
Championship is probably where he should have been last season and he should manage at this level fine. We should stick with him. Where is an experienced ball playing GK? I wanted Johnstone as an experienced choice in summer of 2022. But now, I'm not sure goalkeepers we know of can easily adapt into Martin's tactical wishes, so that ship has sailed.
The real problem was the strategy last season and that we didnt have an effective backup keeper when things went wrong. Now we prioritise posession, it's more necessary we stick with him.
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Post by saintsfan73 on Aug 23, 2023 10:15:41 GMT
To put it another way…. With Johnstone in the sticks the opposition had to craft 4 shots on target to score a goal. With Bazunu in goal the opposition had to craft only 2 shots on target. To add to the numbers (and I do care about stats) in 19 of his 32 games he conceded the first shot on target, this would have changed tactical game plans worked on all week on the training ground. This has not changed this season l in fact it has got worse so far. And Johnstone is about to have his nose out right out of joint when Palace sign Henderson. We could have had: Johnstone Henderson Butland Hart Before the Saudi stuff happened we could have even have had Pope. It isn’t his fault, it is the management. You can do it elsewhere on the pitch but you cannot do it in goal. Or Leno. |
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Post by THE BEAST on Aug 23, 2023 11:01:54 GMT
he is, without doubt, the worst performing player we have…
This underlines just how poor the goalkeeper is considering that we have the Brazilian Serbian nut job.
This is borne out by not only statistics but also by watching him.
I do not understand how anybody thinks he is the solution to the current situation we are in.
You only have to get the shot on target and you have a 50% chance of it going in with him… That is a ridiculously intolerable statistic.
It's the only statistic you need
I don't understand why there's even a discussion!
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Post by ivangolac on Aug 23, 2023 13:12:24 GMT
100% this. 100%
XG is a proper stat, it takes into account the openness and type that f chance you concede and unfortunately we have given up good chances. We ‘should’ have conceded 5 goals in the first three. We have conceded 6. Which means there will be a keeper who is 1 up somewhere.
My point is that we have all this data, have last years horrific stats. We should be replacing, we haven’t even put him under pressure. Just left McCarthy and bought in a career number 3.
He will not come good, he is no good……by the way, his distribution stats are also poor.
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Post by threehundred on Aug 23, 2023 17:05:10 GMT
PS…didn’t mean you were all wrong of course…turn of phrase and all that. But football is not about giving a player like that a chance to come good. He’s the goalkeeper and we chucked him straight in. To use a sensible comparison, The goalkeeper level of importance is similar to a Quarterback. Patrick Mahomes is seen as the current defacto number 1 QB in the NFL (yes, a couple bubbling around him, but go with me). After the NFL draft where he was seen as a superb prospect (no 10 pick), he played 1 dead rubber out of 16 games in season 1. 1 game. Then with a completely convinced coaching staff he’s started nearly every game since picking up two Superbowls. The difference in approach is unbelievable. We gambled and lost. Stick by Replace-Now I don’t want to get into (yet) another ding-dong on this subject… you know where I stand. I certainly don’t agree with your final sentence, but there is otherwise a lot of truth to this post. The way Baz has been handled is shocking. I firmly believe, with good management and a better defence in front of him, he will be a great asset to the club. The signs so far this season are encouraging. FWIW, I’d have been pulling out the stops for Leno, Henderson, Johnstone, Pope etc. too. We didn’t though…we ended up with Baz, a very talented kid. Now we need to back him. |
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Post by channonite on Aug 23, 2023 18:19:51 GMT
People can whinge about Baz as much as they like, but he will remain Saints keeper for the moment.
I for one think that he is immensely better than that shocker of a season made him look. People are overlooking the rubbish defending in front of him. This is a new start for everyone and he looks like he has taken to Martin's way of playing like a duck to water. He will make the odd mistake, show me a goalkeeper of his age who doesn't make mistakes. In fact, show me a goalkeeper of any age who doesn't make mistakes.
As for statistics, I am a firm believer in the old saying that there are lies, damn, lies and then there are statistics.
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Post by threehundred on Aug 23, 2023 20:23:59 GMT
People can whinge about Baz as much as they like, but he will remain Saints keeper for the moment. I for one think that he is immensely better than that shocker of a season made him look. People are overlooking the rubbish defending in front of him. This is a new start for everyone and he looks like he has taken to Martin's way of playing like a duck to water. He will make the odd mistake, show me a goalkeeper of his age who doesn't make mistakes. In fact, show me a goalkeeper of any age who doesn't make mistakes. As for statistics, I am a firm believer in the old saying that there are lies, damn, lies and then there are statistics. This. End of. |
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Post by ivangolac on Aug 24, 2023 9:10:19 GMT
People can whinge about Baz as much as they like, but he will remain Saints keeper for the moment. I for one think that he is immensely better than that shocker of a season made him look. People are overlooking the rubbish defending in front of him. This is a new start for everyone and he looks like he has taken to Martin's way of playing like a duck to water. He will make the odd mistake, show me a goalkeeper of his age who doesn't make mistakes. In fact, show me a goalkeeper of any age who doesn't make mistakes. As for statistics, I am a firm believer in the old saying that there are lies, damn, lies and then there are statistics. This. End of. Lol. Apart from it’s not. What I am saying it that there is nothing visible to say that he is better. And also he hasn’t started promisingly, he’s actually started even worse. He wasn’t Premier Standard and he isn’t top end of Championship standard. Keep him in and we do not go up. Period. |
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