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Post by yateleysaint on Sept 15, 2023 21:28:42 GMT
It’s time to start looking again for a decent manager, although there’s very little chance of SR ever finding one. Do they know anything about football? Christ, I’d at least do some fecking research before appointing someone. RM is playing exactly to type - being bloody-minded about passing it out from the back constantly with little variation (the one time we hit it long we scored) and can’t set a team up to defend so his teams concede more than they can score. It was an absolute shambles again.
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Post by StEtienne on Sept 15, 2023 21:37:09 GMT
This^
It’s a repeat of Nathan Jones, only RM has slightly more charisma and at least has some semblance of an attacking intent. However, just not anywhere near good enough for what we need.
The bravest decision would be SR to admit they got it wrong and do something about it. Bet they don’t though, there’ll be some insipid statements and we will limp on until it’s too late yet again.
If Wilcox is so good, then let him find us a decent manager to lead us out of this quagmire!
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Post by saintsfan73 on Sept 15, 2023 22:13:24 GMT
He looks like is about to open an Essex nightclub with Mark Wright. (Not the football one).
And is good mates with Wayne Lineker.
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Post by Sir B3na1i on Sept 16, 2023 5:55:07 GMT
I've just seen his interview. He thought it was good. FFS
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Post by crazydanny on Sept 16, 2023 7:43:53 GMT
I've just seen his interview. He thought it was good. FFS I lost count of how many times he said he was proud. I prefer a manager who’s a bit more realistic. |
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Post by Furry Frank The Combat Wombat on Sept 16, 2023 8:17:58 GMT
I've just seen his interview. He thought it was good. FFS Great, how have we managed yo saddle ourselves with another complete lunatic? |
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Post by choixkoix on Sept 16, 2023 9:38:44 GMT
The team are going to be verrrrry fragile right now. Too much stick not enough carrot could make things worse, especially after playing the potential league winners come season end.
Also, I can say Downes underperformed and Smallbone's performance was up and down, but Im not sure I can say any individual had a shocker in this match.
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Post by Mandochris on Sept 16, 2023 9:45:08 GMT
KWP looks lost.
Actually thinking about it, they all look lost. The team is totally disjointed, looking fir cohesion that just isn't there.
Either they don't understand Martin's plan or they feel uncomfortable at certain moments, executing it when their gut tells them to do something else.
Either way, it's not good.
The club has asked us to be patient but it's hard sometimes.
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Post by yateleysaint on Sept 16, 2023 9:56:56 GMT
I've just seen his interview. He thought it was good. FFS I lost count of how many times he said he was proud. I prefer a manager who’s a bit more realistic. That’s because the Dutch are more direct. I quite like that approach though because it’s much more honest than pretending everything is fine when it isn’t. |
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Post by yateleysaint on Sept 16, 2023 10:02:38 GMT
The team are going to be verrrrry fragile right now. Too much stick not enough carrot could make things worse, especially after playing the potential league winners come season end. Also, I can say Downes underperformed and Smallbone's performance was up and down, but Im not sure I can say any individual had a shocker in this match. That’s a good point. I don’t think anyone was atrocious but they all had an off day. Edozie looked bright. Fraser did really well to apply pressure to the long ball out from Bazunu that led to the goal. Why don’t we mix it up more? How often do you see Ederson bypassing the press completely by hitting it over the top for someone to run onto? I know he’s playing at a different level but it seems odd to me that we insist on short passing when there are other options. It’s too predictable and puts us under unnecessary pressure. Sometimes the best option is to mix it up and go long. Adams played a nice pass for the goal but was very hesitant with another chance. Nothing went right. They almost scored a comical OG but it went wide. I thought they looked very error prone too but they punished our mistakes and we let them off. There wasn’t a massive gulf in class. I think that’s why I found it so frustrating that we got hammered by them. |
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Post by yateleysaint on Sept 16, 2023 10:05:07 GMT
KWP looks lost. Actually thinking about it, they all look lost. The team is totally disjointed, looking fir cohesion that just isn't there. Either they don't understand Martin's plan or they feel uncomfortable at certain moments, executing it when their gut tells them to do something else. Either way, it's not good. The club has asked us to be patient but it's hard sometimes. I never thought anyone could ruin KWP but RM’s managed to do it after only a handful of competitive games. They’re playing like they‘ve all got PTSD from the Sunderland game. I read in the NYT yesterday that the US is trying to licence MDMA for treating PTSD. Maybe we should send the players to a rave to lighten them up a bit. |
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Post by choixkoix on Sept 17, 2023 1:36:43 GMT
The team are going to be verrrrry fragile right now. Too much stick not enough carrot could make things worse, especially after playing the potential league winners come season end. Also, I can say Downes underperformed and Smallbone's performance was up and down, but Im not sure I can say any individual had a shocker in this match. That’s a good point. I don’t think anyone was atrocious but they all had an off day. Edozie looked bright. Fraser did really well to apply pressure to the long ball out from Bazunu that led to the goal. Why don’t we mix it up more? How often do you see Ederson bypassing the press completely by hitting it over the top for someone to run onto? I know he’s playing at a different level but it seems odd to me that we insist on short passing when there are other options. It’s too predictable and puts us under unnecessary pressure. Sometimes the best option is to mix it up and go long. Adams played a nice pass for the goal but was very hesitant with another chance. Nothing went right. They almost scored a comical OG but it went wide. I thought they looked very error prone too but they punished our mistakes and we let them off. There wasn’t a massive gulf in class. I think that’s why I found it so frustrating that we got hammered by them. Distribution from the keeper is the biggie to work on, in the way defensive set pieces were in August (and now seem fine btw!). The instruction at the moment seems to approximately be to form a wide 'V' shape with the full backs pushing up and against the touchline. Leicester occasionally did that (though at less of a sheer angle.) They looked more for isocoles triangles of CB in a channel to CM then bsck to other CB who was advancing or that CM with a turn on the marker passing through the line to next more advanced CM. The impact of this is that they had a very effective semi- direct form of attacking us at times. Our instructions in matches so far seem to have prioritised the number of players we get forward, the width. The aim seems to be control via suffocation. Note as a consequence how almost all our goals have come from wide players cutting in or from crosses. He hasnt built yet (or doesnt prioritise) attacking through the middle as a weapon an attacking team need to build. What was interesting in second half vs Leicester is he did show a plan B for chasing a game. With an overload of attacking players - effectively two AMCs, a ST and 2 wingers - we, at times, appeared to try to get the ball higher quicker and it seemed like there were more longer passes from Baz. Not long punts, but not clear effective movements and passes either. RE: the title of this thread, we are just 6 league games into the season and a new manager's tenure. If he was royalty or royalty in ascendancy - a Guardiola or Klopp or such like, we might expect a defined way of playing to successfully appear so early. I dont think its normal in most cases for a team to come to grips with things that quickly, and dont get me started on the transfer window's effects. I'll acknowledge Maresca has done better in the same time (though in an easier situation). I hope RM is giving thought to the details of how we build posession from the back: it's costing us goals, points, and goodwill from the fans that in my view shows we've become a lot more reactionary a bunch of supporters after the grim soap opera of last year. Its ridiculous to throw the project in the bin, but he should have some questions on the flipchart in his office that he and the coaching staff have to evolve a response to. |
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Post by yateleysaint on Sept 17, 2023 10:49:56 GMT
That’s a good point. I don’t think anyone was atrocious but they all had an off day. Edozie looked bright. Fraser did really well to apply pressure to the long ball out from Bazunu that led to the goal. Why don’t we mix it up more? How often do you see Ederson bypassing the press completely by hitting it over the top for someone to run onto? I know he’s playing at a different level but it seems odd to me that we insist on short passing when there are other options. It’s too predictable and puts us under unnecessary pressure. Sometimes the best option is to mix it up and go long. Adams played a nice pass for the goal but was very hesitant with another chance. Nothing went right. They almost scored a comical OG but it went wide. I thought they looked very error prone too but they punished our mistakes and we let them off. There wasn’t a massive gulf in class. I think that’s why I found it so frustrating that we got hammered by them. Distribution from the keeper is the biggie to work on, in the way defensive set pieces were in August (and now seem fine btw!). The instruction at the moment seems to approximately be to form a wide 'V' shape with the full backs pushing up and against the touchline. Leicester occasionally did that (though at less of a sheer angle.) They looked more for isocoles triangles of CB in a channel to CM then bsck to other CB who was advancing or that CM with a turn on the marker passing through the line to next more advanced CM. The impact of this is that they had a very effective semi- direct form of attacking us at times. Our instructions in matches so far seem to have prioritised the number of players we get forward, the width. The aim seems to be control via suffocation. Note as a consequence how almost all our goals have come from wide players cutting in or from crosses. He hasnt built yet (or doesnt prioritise) attacking through the middle as a weapon an attacking team need to build. What was interesting in second half vs Leicester is he did show a plan B for chasing a game. With an overload of attacking players - effectively two AMCs, a ST and 2 wingers - we, at times, appeared to try to get the ball higher quicker and it seemed like there were more longer passes from Baz. Not long punts, but not clear effective movements and passes either. RE: the title of this thread, we are just 6 league games into the season and a new manager's tenure. If he was royalty or royalty in ascendancy - a Guardiola or Klopp or such like, we might expect a defined way of playing to successfully appear so early. I dont think its normal in most cases for a team to come to grips with things that quickly, and dont get me started on the transfer window's effects. I'll acknowledge Maresca has done better in the same time (though in an easier situation). I hope RM is giving thought to the details of how we build posession from the back: it's costing us goals, points, and goodwill from the fans that in my view shows we've become a lot more reactionary a bunch of supporters after the grim soap opera of last year. Its ridiculous to throw the project in the bin, but he should have some questions on the flipchart in his office that he and the coaching staff have to evolve a response to. These are all good points. As I’ve mentioned elsewhere, I think I’d be more patient if I felt like there were any grounds for optimism. The trouble is I think the way he wants to play is critically flawed. My main concern is that SR seem incapable of picking an experienced and competent manager so God knows who’d they’d uncover next. I’m a bit gutted that Maresca turned us down as he’s learned from the very best. I still thought Leicester looked like a bit of a mess and he looked a bit fraught at times but I still think they’ll walk this league. We tried to go toe to toe with them and it backfired spectacularly but could have been a lot closer if they’d missed a few more chances and we’d taken more of ours. |
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Post by sotonian on Sept 17, 2023 17:31:12 GMT
The system model is flawed but I kind of get it, it’s going to take a while to perfect which means we probably won’t get promoted this season (I have no problem with that as the premier league is pointless for us at the moment) but it could work out well in the long term as the young players adapt to get it right,
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Post by saintsfan73 on Sept 17, 2023 18:49:47 GMT
I've just seen his interview. He thought it was good. FFS I lost count of how many times he said he was proud. I prefer a manager who’s a bit more realistic. Did he claim to be the fittest man in the universe? Def shades of Nathan Jones MkII. |
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