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Post by ivangolac on Sept 25, 2023 17:38:24 GMT
They are certainly more protected by the rules…but they walk taller and are given an environment where they can keep everyone on the straight.
Brilliant last night after about 15 minutes….ref turned to Welsh Skipper.
‘Your number ** is chipping away at every breakdown trying to influence me, I’m letting you know that if you don’t sort him out straight away, I’m going to’.
Impressive.
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Post by jickster on Sept 26, 2023 8:09:23 GMT
They are supported much better and do a better job as a result.
There are lots of cultural differences between the sports that contribute as well.
One that I don't see commented on so much though, is the fact that rugby rules are quite opaque to the casual fan and it is difficult to challenge their decisions. In football, a complete novice can have an opinion on whether a player was tripped or did he dive, and if the ref disagrees then you can yell at him and question his parentage etc.
In rugby, there's a load of players grabbing each other, the ref blows his whistle and I bet you that 90% of the fans in the stadium have no idea which way the decision is going to go- they just cheer if it is in their favour. An expert might say 'that's for a playing the ball off his feet', or going in at the side, or one of a dozen other complicated reasons that are quite hard to understand in detail. So it's difficult to actually question that because I'm one of many who simply doesn't have a clue whether the ref is right or wrong.
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Post by spot51 on Sept 26, 2023 10:38:42 GMT
They are supported much better and do a better job as a result. There are lots of cultural differences between the sports that contribute as well. One that I don't see commented on so much though, is the fact that rugby rules are quite opaque to the casual fan and it is difficult to challenge their decisions. In football, a complete novice can have an opinion on whether a player was tripped or did he dive, and if the ref disagrees then you can yell at him and question his parentage etc. In rugby, there's a load of players grabbing each other, the ref blows his whistle and I bet you that 90% of the fans in the stadium have no idea which way the decision is going to go- they just cheer if it is in their favour. An expert might say 'that's for a playing the ball off his feet', or going in at the side, or one of a dozen other complicated reasons that are quite hard to understand in detail. So it's difficult to actually question that because I'm one of many who simply doesn't have a clue whether the ref is right or wrong. Quite. That is why I have no time for egg chasing. The rules are so complex and the action so confused that the referee is the only one who knows what is going on. I'm a smart bloke and like a drink but it seems to me fans can only enjoy watching the chasing of eggs if they arrive at the game completely pissed up and then bray loudly when everyone else does. It remains a pale imitation of real sport. The only good thing it has spawned are traditional (not your modern rubbish) long sleeved rugby shirts: ideally navy ones with a thistle on the front. |
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Post by earlscourtsaint on Sept 26, 2023 11:07:17 GMT
There are some brilliant videos on YouTube of rugby refs taking charge, Nigel Owens is particularly hilarious (and a bloody shame he has retired!!) I thoroughly enjoyed the comment a couple of weeks ago when a player asked 'Sir, can I just say something' and the answer was a flat 'no'!
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Post by melrose on Sept 27, 2023 10:32:03 GMT
Its because they are all ex-Public School teachers and half the players are their former pupils.
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Post by melrose on Sept 27, 2023 10:47:37 GMT
They are supported much better and do a better job as a result. There are lots of cultural differences between the sports that contribute as well. One that I don't see commented on so much though, is the fact that rugby rules are quite opaque to the casual fan and it is difficult to challenge their decisions. In football, a complete novice can have an opinion on whether a player was tripped or did he dive, and if the ref disagrees then you can yell at him and question his parentage etc. In rugby, there's a load of players grabbing each other, the ref blows his whistle and I bet you that 90% of the fans in the stadium have no idea which way the decision is going to go- they just cheer if it is in their favour. An expert might say 'that's for a playing the ball off his feet', or going in at the side, or one of a dozen other complicated reasons that are quite hard to understand in detail. So it's difficult to actually question that because I'm one of many who simply doesn't have a clue whether the ref is right or wrong. Quite. That is why I have no time for egg chasing. The rules are so complex and the action so confused that the referee is the only one who knows what is going on. I'm a smart bloke and like a drink but it seems to me fans can only enjoy watching the chasing of eggs if they arrive at the game completely pissed up and then bray loudly when everyone else does. It remains a pale imitation of real sport. The only good thing it has spawned are traditional (not your modern rubbish) long sleeved rugby shirts: ideally navy ones with a thistle on the front. I think our round-ball lot can give the egg-chasers a fair go in the pissed and braying stakes. Only difference is Polo or Stone Island. And a few lines if the rumours are to be believed. As for the rules (actually they have Laws so watch out) I thought I was getting a handle on it a few years ago but it seems to be even more messy now. I mean what is the point of a scrum - or Hooker-these days? More and more of it seems to be thrashing about in piles on the floor. In one match the other day I saw one bloke tackled in the middle of one of those piles, hoisted off the ground and carried horizontally for a number of yards. The commentators were very impressed but I don't know if for the defence or attack. |
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Post by yateleysaint on Sept 27, 2023 10:50:47 GMT
I don’t get it.
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Post by ivangolac on Sept 27, 2023 11:01:37 GMT
I do agree some of the rules take some serious interpreting, one of the problems is that 3 or 4 things might be going on at one time, and the ref only sees one, which has always been my frustration.
But they dare to innovate, and that is so empowering....
1) Sin Bins - Works
2) Sin Bin with Red Card Upgrade - Definitely Working (no stupid quick decision gets made, take your time guys)
3) Miking the Ref's - Works and football needs this now
4) 50/22 Rule - Working brilliantly and encouraging positive play
It's a great game, the World Cup amongst the big teams has been terrific so far.........
PS.....if you collectively lift someone up in the tackle and keep them raised and stop them off loading the ball, its a penalty to you.....once tackled you are meant to go to ground and release to create a quick next phase of play, you have about 3 seconds to do so.
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