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Post by choixkoix on Jun 28, 2024 12:52:19 GMT
It makes a lot of sense to me, though of course I don't want to see KWP go and would like to have my cake and eat it if possible. Swap deal would involve low fee which is nice for FFP and being able to do other business. Kyle has one year left - we can't risk the asset. I reckon you can put an inferior KWP into the team and get away with it, but an inferior version of Downes just doesn't work as we saw last season.
However, I would worry it doesn't send a great signal to the other players with a year left though - Bednarek in particular, maybe AA as well. It also adds +1 to the list of major incomings needed: GK, AMC, AMR, ST, DC and now DR. Really 4 of those are needed well before the window slow downs into the August-nothing-happens-until-close-to-deadline quicksand - otherwise they are going to be playing catch-up on getting used to the system and wont be useful until October. Cannot remember a time where we've done multiple successful signings with that kind of speed...
Bound to be hard to conclude - WHam surely will say we should give KWP plus money as he has just a year left so reduced value ; we will surely say they should give Downes plus money as KWP is an international.
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Post by Furry Frank The Combat Wombat on Jun 28, 2024 13:12:02 GMT
Shame if true. If I could only have one of the two players I would probably choose Downes on the basis that KWP is easier to find a replacement for, we've already seen rumours on these pages and the football world seems to be full of good full backs these days. But KWP would definitely be a miss, his excellent fitness record for one thing makes that a position where you can just forget about worrying. His experience and reliability would be a real loss to the squad. I would hope we'd get a small cash incentive, I don't think their market value is the same, but West Ham probably hold the cards in this situation. Disappointing... from our perspective that's our best player gone, and not even to a bigclubz. From his perspective, it's not a great step up and he's not guaranteed to be a starter. Sure, we get Downes into the bargain, but he's untested really at PL level.
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Post by jickster on Jun 28, 2024 13:28:22 GMT
It makes a lot of sense to me, though of course I don't want to see KWP go and would like to have my cake and eat it if possible. Swap deal would involve low fee which is nice for FFP and being able to do other business. Kyle has one year left - we can't risk the asset. I reckon you can put an inferior KWP into the team and get away with it, but an inferior version of Downes just doesn't work as we saw last season. However, I would worry it doesn't send a great signal to the other players with a year left though - Bednarek in particular, maybe AA as well. It also adds +1 to the list of major incomings needed: GK, AMC, AMR, ST, DC and now DR. Really 4 of those are needed well before the window slow downs into the August-nothing-happens-until-close-to-deadline quicksand - otherwise they are going to be playing catch-up on getting used to the system and wont be useful until October. Cannot remember a time where we've done multiple successful signings with that kind of speed... Bound to be hard to conclude - WHam surely will say we should give KWP plus money as he has just a year left so reduced value ; we will surely say they should give Downes plus money as KWP is an international. I forgot about his deal coming to an end. On that basis actually it seems a much better deal financially for us and is a good way out of the potential problem, although it depends on negotiations as you say. One thing that is strange is that it actually is a swap deal- clubs hardly ever actually do swaps these days, they just informally agree that they will make two separate transactions because I understand it becomes very complicated. I think that KWP will find he has more options than either Bednarek or AA in terms of teams that would want him, so I'm not that worried about them because of this move.
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Post by threehundred on Jun 28, 2024 13:50:44 GMT
Shame if true. If I could only have one of the two players I would probably choose Downes on the basis that KWP is easier to find a replacement for, we've already seen rumours on these pages and the football world seems to be full of good full backs these days. But KWP would definitely be a miss, his excellent fitness record for one thing makes that a position where you can just forget about worrying. His experience and reliability would be a real loss to the squad. I would hope we'd get a small cash incentive, I don't think their market value is the same, but West Ham probably hold the cards in this situation. Disappointing... from our perspective that's our best player gone, and not even to a bigclubz. From his perspective, it's not a great step up and he's not guaranteed to be a starter. Sure, we get Downes into the bargain, but he's untested really at PL level. Yes - KWP is undeniably our best player. But Downes was undoubtedly our key man last season. I get that he’s unproven at Prem level, but he deserves a shot and we need him. With KWP’s contract length to take into account and FFP considerations that clearly make a swap very attractive to both clubs, this is a deal that must happen. Love KWP, but it’s time to say goodbye and thanks for all the fish. It’s hard to let ‘em go, especially the double-barrelled ones to West Ham, but we’ll get over it.
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Post by crazydanny on Jun 28, 2024 14:05:47 GMT
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Post by crazydanny on Jun 28, 2024 14:08:56 GMT
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Post by Furry Frank The Combat Wombat on Jun 28, 2024 15:14:01 GMT
Disappointing... from our perspective that's our best player gone, and not even to a bigclubz. From his perspective, it's not a great step up and he's not guaranteed to be a starter. Sure, we get Downes into the bargain, but he's untested really at PL level. Yes - KWP is undeniably our best player. But Downes was undoubtedly our key man last season. I get that he’s unproven at Prem level, but he deserves a shot and we need him. With KWP’s contract length to take into account and FFP considerations that clearly make a swap very attractive to both clubs, this is a deal that must happen. Love KWP, but it’s time to say goodbye and thanks for all the fish. It’s hard to let ‘em go, especially the double-barrelled ones to West Ham, but we’ll get over it. Yeah, it's probably a sensible move, but you'd hope he could do better than Dildotown.. ..if we can get Downes + something else (Johnson or £5m say), then I guess it's ok, but if they call it a straight swap or we have to pay then it's not a good deal.
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Post by choixkoix on Jun 28, 2024 15:15:08 GMT
Lyanco is leaving so a player with a yellow card every two games and who punched a fan entering the pitch.. Perfect!
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Post by Furry Frank The Combat Wombat on Jun 28, 2024 15:15:23 GMT
That doesn't sound very bright... (the fighting, not us buying a RB)
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Post by Furry Frank The Combat Wombat on Jun 28, 2024 15:16:40 GMT
If true, that's a cracking bit of business... but I didn't think the Turks would have that sort of cash.
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Post by choixkoix on Jun 28, 2024 15:16:48 GMT
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Post by threehundred on Jun 28, 2024 15:45:29 GMT
Yeah - great business for Besiktas, Tall Paul, Goztepe and SR.
I’m not so sure about SFC. How much have we lost on the fella..?
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Post by threehundred on Jun 28, 2024 15:46:39 GMT
Lyanco is leaving so a player with a yellow card every two games and who punched a fan entering the pitch.. Perfect! I don’t remember him tearing it up with QPR either…
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Post by Sir B3na1i on Jun 28, 2024 15:51:23 GMT
Yeah - great business for Besiktas, Tall Paul, Goztepe and SR. I’m not so sure about SFC. How much have we lost on the fella..? Exactly - would rather they paid us more and fucked off Goztepe!
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Post by spot51 on Jun 28, 2024 16:21:33 GMT
Lyanco is leaving so a player with a yellow card every two games and who punched a fan entering the pitch.. Perfect! I don’t remember him tearing it up with QPR either… But he is double barelled and gets forward well.
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