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Post by earlscourtsaint on Jul 21, 2024 13:14:17 GMT
This would be a great signing or an outstanding signing?? O’riley last night So, he’s pretty good then!
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Post by emsworthsaint on Jul 21, 2024 13:22:50 GMT
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Post by choixkoix on Jul 21, 2024 15:15:07 GMT
With O'Riley we've only made one low bid. With that much interest - Atletico, Atlanta, Brighton, more no doubt - they aren't going to break the three bid rule (offer 1 - lowball, offer 2 - closer, but we'll reject because we can get more out of you and we want to flush other interest out) unless we chuck a lot of wonga at them this time. Do we have 35-40m for this one player? And then more for a ST and/or right winger?
There are surely weeks to go before this one reaches its denouement / and/or its conditional on outs too, unless the player gets stroppy.
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Post by crazydanny on Jul 21, 2024 18:35:42 GMT
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Post by spot51 on Jul 21, 2024 19:09:11 GMT
Be good to have the transfer speculation together rather than all over the place like a madwoman's shit. Am liking the rumours once more linking us with our Scottish Champions League feeder club. Virgil, Moi, Fraser, Big Victor and Stu weren't bad signings so I'm hopeful we can bring Matt O'Riley back to England. He is a goalscoring midfielder! Born and brought up in London but qualifies for Denmark through his Mum. Has U21 caps and last winter won his first senior Danish caps.
At 23 with 91 games for Celtic he could be very useful to Russ. Am thinking their paths may have crossed briefly at MKD but as a younger version of Lallana he could be just what we are currently missing. Glad the world has now caught up...
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Post by stsaint on Jul 21, 2024 19:38:00 GMT
Good on him for expanding his horizons and gaining some international experience. It's a relief he won't be playing for us but I'm also pleased he's not gone for the easy option to sit on the bench at Wolves and try something a bit different. All the best Che.
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Post by Furry Frank The Combat Wombat on Jul 21, 2024 20:22:52 GMT
Good on him for expanding his horizons and gaining some international experience. It's a relief he won't be playing for us but I'm also pleased he's not gone for the easy option to sit on the bench at Wolves and try something a bit different. All the best Che. Fair play, could I'm sure have got a benchwarmer role at a club not much better in the PL for more money, but he's gone for a challenge instead. Hooe he finds it suits him there.
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Post by choixkoix on Jul 22, 2024 0:58:02 GMT
I'd like to think he's chosen the quality of life option for him and his family. Just a perfect part of the world to move to for your last big contract. Probably also a move where he's got a chance of succeeding despite his inconsistency.
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Post by earlscourtsaint on Jul 22, 2024 6:26:09 GMT
Hmmm, 3-4 years in Torino or 3-4 years in Wolverhampton?? If he’s got anywhere near to his £8m signing fee and £80k a week then fair play to him!! Thanks for everything Che, and best wishes!!
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Post by vectis on Jul 22, 2024 6:27:08 GMT
www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/24466434.russell-martin-reveals-southamptons-stance-signing-new-keeper/McCarthy is first choice GK according to RM. Wasn't good enough for the Prem before don't see how he has improved now. Don't get me wrong, he was gigantic for us last season and certainly a more reassuring pair of hands than Bazunu imho, but maybe Championship was always his level? This doesn't inspire me with confidence. Still, at least we won't have to suffer Che Adams failing to score up front at the same time. That said, I hope he does well at Torino even if I never particularly rated him. If McCarthy does start the season as first choice I hope the fans don't get on his back, despite what I've said here. But I would also expect us to be scrabbling around for someone else in the Jan window. Right now though I'm more concerned with attack. It's hard to see where the goals are going to come from. I've seen nothing from Adam Armstrong to suggest his level is anything higher than Championship (where he absolutely excels tbf) so I don't think he is the answer (though I like the bloke so I hope I'm wrong). I despair of ever seeing Ross Stewart play and, besides, he's never played more than 10 games above League 1 apparently so we'd be crazy to rest our hopes on him even if he does stay fit. Mara may one day be a heck of a player but he's not ready yet. And Tall Paul is off, I don't think there is any doubt about that. I know we are looking at strikers but none of the names I've seen look very promising. Mostly untested kids or unrealistic targets. Will goals come from midfield? Maybe, if Alcaraz stays and plays, but I doubt he will prove to be the answer. He has not really been consistent, has he? Don't really see goals coming from anywhere else in midfield. I refuse to believe in the O'Reilly stuff. He's too good for us and too expensive. So yeah, goals worry me. Anyway, over a month till the window slams shut so let's see what happens. I'm looking forward to this season, but I think it's going to a long and hard one, (Oooo, matron!)
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Post by Furry Frank The Combat Wombat on Jul 22, 2024 9:35:21 GMT
www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/24466434.russell-martin-reveals-southamptons-stance-signing-new-keeper/McCarthy is first choice GK according to RM. Wasn't good enough for the Prem before don't see how he has improved now. Don't get me wrong, he was gigantic for us last season and certainly a more reassuring pair of hands than Bazunu imho, but maybe Championship was always his level? This doesn't inspire me with confidence. Still, at least we won't have to suffer Che Adams failing to score up front at the same time. That said, I hope he does well at Torino even if I never particularly rated him. If McCarthy does start the season as first choice I hope the fans don't get on his back, despite what I've said here. But I would also expect us to be scrabbling around for someone else in the Jan window. Right now though I'm more concerned with attack. It's hard to see where the goals are going to come from. I've seen nothing from Adam Armstrong to suggest his level is anything higher than Championship (where he absolutely excels tbf) so I don't think he is the answer (though I like the bloke so I hope I'm wrong). I despair of ever seeing Ross Stewart play and, besides, he's never played more than 10 games above League 1 apparently so we'd be crazy to rest our hopes on him even if he does stay fit. Mara may one day be a heck of a player but he's not ready yet. And Tall Paul is off, I don't think there is any doubt about that. I know we are looking at strikers but none of the names I've seen look very promising. Mostly untested kids or unrealistic targets. Will goals come from midfield? Maybe, if Alcaraz stays and plays, but I doubt he will prove to be the answer. He has not really been consistent, has he? Don't really see goals coming from anywhere else in midfield. I refuse to believe in the O'Reilly stuff. He's too good for us and too expensive. So yeah, goals worry me. Anyway, over a month till the window slams shut so let's see what happens. I'm looking forward to this season, but I think it's going to a long and hard one, (Oooo, matron!) Quite... the Mcyouknowwhat announcement is very worrying. Sure, he earned another crack after helping get us up, but one of those games was us getting dicked by Leicester (again) so there's every chance he'll go full sieve again once we're under pressure from better teams. My only hope if we're set on not getting another keeper is that they don't 100% rely on him being no1 and Lis can weasel his way in and reprise his clean sheet exploits he showed at our bigger brother. Like you, I can't see we've got a chance at O'Reilly given the other names linked and the money Celtic want so we desperately need some creativity and goals from midfield. I do still hold some hope for Charly but he's unlikely to be THE answer. But yes, striker is the ultimate priority; we're now heading into the season with no strikers of note. Hopefully now Downes is complete and Che has got off the pot they'll start to properly put their efforts into finding someone that can actually give us a sniff of staying up. Don't get me wrong, I think they've done a decent job getting a solid squad together (keeping a core of last season's team for continuity with THB and Downes and hopefully wee man) but it's just a foundation.
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Post by threehundred on Jul 22, 2024 9:59:44 GMT
I’m thinking about all this and slightly freaking out, here.
I’m usually pretty optimistic and I’ve been really happy with Saints’ business in this window so far.
But:
Comparing the squad today with the one that got relegated, it’s arguably weaker.
We need strengthening in Midfield and we have a peashooter front line. If Bedders is AWOL, we are hugely lightweight and inexperienced in defence.
I love Downes, but he’s not going to play every game and is unproven at the highest level.
I’m nervous about our creativity. Who can play the clever balls in the final 3rd? Baba O’Riley not only seems an exciting option, but a fairly essential one.
And who is going to score..?
We need to keep strengthening - that is clear.
How much money do we have left in the pot..?
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Post by jickster on Jul 22, 2024 10:59:37 GMT
I’m thinking about all this and slightly freaking out, here. I’m usually pretty optimistic and I’ve been really happy with Saints’ business in this window so far. But: Comparing the squad today with the one that got relegated, it’s arguably weaker. We need strengthening in Midfield and we have a peashooter front line. If Bedders is AWOL, we are hugely lightweight and inexperienced in defence. I love Downes, but he’s not going to play every game and is unproven at the highest level. I’m nervous about our creativity. Who can play the clever balls in the final 3rd? Baba O’Riley not only seems an exciting option, but a fairly essential one. And who is going to score..? We need to keep strengthening - that is clear. How much money do we have left in the pot..? Fair points. But one thing that I've heard a few times now is that for clubs like Saints at this point in the window it is much easier to sort the defensive side of things rather than attackers. The attackers tend to be a bit more difficult to pin down as they know that there's a chance of a big club getting twitchy and taking a gamble on them towards the end of the window, they keep their options open. As we get closer to the end things start falling into place and selling teams and the players themselves settle for a bit less, you get a bit of a domino effect from the top stars downwards. Our two best attacking signings of the last decade, Mane and Ings, were both deadline day deals. I think we've done well so far getting the basics right, Taylor, Sugewara and Downes are good additions. Assuming Adams does go then that clarifies things in terms of what positions we need and we can start working on that plus O'Riley who sounds ideal for what we need. I also think that whatever the club might say in public, they will be looking at a gk on loan. Hope so anyway.
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Post by theallseeingeye on Jul 22, 2024 11:00:29 GMT
I’m thinking about all this and slightly freaking out, here. I’m usually pretty optimistic and I’ve been really happy with Saints’ business in this window so far. But: Comparing the squad today with the one that got relegated, it’s arguably weaker. We need strengthening in Midfield and we have a peashooter front line. If Bedders is AWOL, we are hugely lightweight and inexperienced in defence. I love Downes, but he’s not going to play every game and is unproven at the highest level. I’m nervous about our creativity. Who can play the clever balls in the final 3rd? Baba O’Riley not only seems an exciting option, but a fairly essential one. And who is going to score..? We need to keep strengthening - that is clear. How much money do we have left in the pot..? I think the squad is weaker than the one that got relegated... but the club was broken and we seem to have a manager and team now.. I think while weaker we are better.... if that makes sense. I do think we need a striker and a little more creativity behind the front men / man.... but as I said before.... I'm happy... if we go back down... so be it... I'm ok with that.. Like RM says, lets just do our own thing, if we get beat we get beat but stick to the plan. We need to build the club back up, be that staying in the Prem or dropping back down. I really hope I can see past the frustration of getting battered some weeks and throwing points away... and stay true to this myself! I bet most younger Saints fans will be calling for heads after a bad start.. (if we have a bad start) I hope we keep being careful and no panic buying / over spending
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Post by threehundred on Jul 22, 2024 11:58:14 GMT
I’m thinking about all this and slightly freaking out, here. I’m usually pretty optimistic and I’ve been really happy with Saints’ business in this window so far. But: Comparing the squad today with the one that got relegated, it’s arguably weaker. We need strengthening in Midfield and we have a peashooter front line. If Bedders is AWOL, we are hugely lightweight and inexperienced in defence. I love Downes, but he’s not going to play every game and is unproven at the highest level. I’m nervous about our creativity. Who can play the clever balls in the final 3rd? Baba O’Riley not only seems an exciting option, but a fairly essential one. And who is going to score..? We need to keep strengthening - that is clear. How much money do we have left in the pot..? Fair points. But one thing that I've heard a few times now is that for clubs like Saints at this point in the window it is much easier to sort the defensive side of things rather than attackers. The attackers tend to be a bit more difficult to pin down as they know that there's a chance of a big club getting twitchy and taking a gamble on them towards the end of the window, they keep their options open. As we get closer to the end things start falling into place and selling teams and the players themselves settle for a bit less, you get a bit of a domino effect from the top stars downwards. Our two best attacking signings of the last decade, Mane and Ings, were both deadline day deals. I think we've done well so far getting the basics right, Taylor, Sugewara and Downes are good additions. Assuming Adams does go then that clarifies things in terms of what positions we need and we can start working on that plus O'Riley who sounds ideal for what we need. I also think that whatever the club might say in public, they will be looking at a gk on loan. Hope so anyway. Totally agree. But I will say that for every Mane / Ings, there is a Paul Onuachu (also a deadline day deal, if memory serves…). Pellè wasn’t a deadline signing and I’d put him in the same bracket as the two you highlight - although his recruitment fell just (just!) outside the last decade. It wasn’t the club’s fault that Delap chose Ipswich. I hope they can identify and secure a suitable alternative PDQ and don’t leave it to the last moment.
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