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Post by crazydanny on Aug 4, 2024 13:43:41 GMT
Would love to see Carvalho in a Saints shirt - BUT he’s surely out of our price and salary bracket? Why would we put a bid in then? That doesn’t happen out of nowhere, but if Liverpool wants more money we will probably go for O’Riley.
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Post by earlscourtsaint on Aug 4, 2024 15:18:10 GMT
Would love to see Carvalho in a Saints shirt - BUT he’s surely out of our price and salary bracket? Why would we put a bid in then? That doesn’t happen out of nowhere, but if Liverpool wants more money we will probably go for O’Riley. Probably to put some pressure on Celtic by showing we have other irons in the fire
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Post by Sir B3na1i on Aug 4, 2024 15:36:04 GMT
Why would we put a bid in then? That doesn’t happen out of nowhere, but if Liverpool wants more money we will probably go for O’Riley. Probably to put some pressure on Celtic by showing we have other irons in the fire Different positions aren't they? AM and winger I thought? Didn't RM say we were after a winger a while ago
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Post by earlscourtsaint on Aug 4, 2024 15:57:23 GMT
Probably to put some pressure on Celtic by showing we have other irons in the fire Different positions aren't they? AM and winger I thought? Didn't RM say we were after a winger a while ago Carvalho is good enough to play either role!
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Post by THE BEAST on Aug 4, 2024 16:28:27 GMT
Carvalho turned us down to go to Hull last year, he doesn't seem that keen on us
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Post by Sir B3na1i on Aug 4, 2024 16:36:53 GMT
Carvalho turned us down to go to Hull last year, he doesn't seem that keen on us Because we couldn't guarantee playing time. Apparently he favoured us but was told.he wouldn't have a guaranteed started place
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Post by channonite on Aug 4, 2024 17:56:31 GMT
I wonder if the outstanding showing of Dibling and Amo-Ameyaw in the pre-season games so far and the frankly surprisingly good showing of Larios in the U21s on Saturday will change who the club actually go for, or could this all have been factored in anyway?
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Post by choixkoix on Aug 4, 2024 23:32:52 GMT
I wonder if the outstanding showing of Dibling and Amo-Ameyaw in the pre-season games so far and the frankly surprisingly good showing of Larios in the U21s on Saturday will change who the club actually go for, or could this all have been factored in anyway? I would argue we need a quality player good enough to start the game in GK, CMA, and AMR. I dont think any of the three kids are ready to start a PL match. They should be definitely factored in as squad depth with opportunities to develop, but we need someone coming in who will push McCarthy or Aribo onto the bench (for example).
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Post by Sir B3na1i on Aug 5, 2024 7:59:12 GMT
I wonder if the outstanding showing of Dibling and Amo-Ameyaw in the pre-season games so far and the frankly surprisingly good showing of Larios in the U21s on Saturday will change who the club actually go for, or could this all have been factored in anyway? I would argue we need a quality player good enough to start the game in GK, CMA, and AMR. I dont think any of the three kids are ready to start a PL match. They should be definitely factored in as squad depth with opportunities to develop, but we need someone coming in who will push McCarthy or Aribo onto the bench (for example). Agree I think RM has made it clear that although they will be part of the squad Dibling and SAA shouldn't have the pressure put on them to be relied upon all the time. And, I imagine that's why MOR and Fab are targets. If you think about young players that had huge expectation and responsibility for Saints and other clubs at a young age it really hasn't gone great in terms of fitness throughout their careers - Theo, AOC, Shaw, Lallana - Great players but didn't have the playing time their careers deserved. Guess the only one that bucks the trend is Bale and he's a freak in terms of his abilities and physic. Then look at JWP, carefully managed in his younger days and then never missed a game for years
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Post by crazydanny on Aug 5, 2024 9:38:30 GMT
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Post by jickster on Aug 5, 2024 9:52:05 GMT
All part of the negotiation game isn't it? I haven't checked the tweet but I bet there are replies from Saints fans saying 'if you want the player, just pay the asking price or we'll lose out on this one too'. But I'm really pleased to see we are keen on him. Part of his problem at Liverpool was that there just wasn't room in Klopp's system for a player like that, he'd rather have made chances through turnovers and quick transitions rather than finding a creative player to make chances in Carvalho's style. I might have thought that Carvalho would be a better fit for Slot, and he's scored against both Arsenal and Man Utd in pre-season which could have boosted his chances there. But if he really doesn't have a future there then I'd welcome him at Saints and he could be ideal for us. Might take a bit of flirting before it gets sorted though.
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Post by crazydanny on Aug 5, 2024 9:53:08 GMT
This is interesting. Although the original article said Saints showed interest in him weeks ago.
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Post by Furry Frank The Combat Wombat on Aug 5, 2024 9:55:18 GMT
Gallagher to AM probably means Chelsea will blow us out the water for O'Reilly
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Post by choixkoix on Aug 5, 2024 11:17:51 GMT
Carvalho = O'Riley. You're not signing an unheard-of player or someone who isn't coveted elsewhere. Get close to what they are asking for, and do it relatively quick or a fatter, sexier vulture will take over. They're both going to take 25mil + some clause-related shenanigans to get. I would suspect with O'Riley that it's likely we have blown any window of opportunity now Chelsea are sniffing.
Buonanotte is an attacking midfielder too, very highly rated, though not the goals and assists so far to be the finished article. Of the three attacking midfielders we've been linked with, it's questionable if he would be willing to permanently move (?), although maybe the agent has indicated so.
It feels like we know we need the Stu replacement asap, and that we're up against it. Pursue all three until one sticks. It's August, the asking prices on all of these will creep up week by week. We need to get aggressive, but if we're trying to sign these kinds of players you need your money where your mouth is. Which might be helped by accepting the latest Onuachu bid.
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Post by Sir B3na1i on Aug 5, 2024 13:06:55 GMT
Carvalho = O'Riley. You're not signing an unheard-of player or someone who isn't coveted elsewhere. Get close to what they are asking for, and do it relatively quick or a fatter, sexier vulture will take over. They're both going to take 25mil + some clause-related shenanigans to get. I would suspect with O'Riley that it's likely we have blown any window of opportunity now Chelsea are sniffing. Buonanotte is an attacking midfielder too, very highly rated, though not the goals and assists so far to be the finished article. Of the three attacking midfielders we've been linked with, it's questionable if he would be willing to permanently move (?), although maybe the agent has indicated so. It feels like we know we need the Stu replacement asap, and that we're up against it. Pursue all three until one sticks. It's August, the asking prices on all of these will creep up week by week. We need to get aggressive, but if we're trying to sign these kinds of players you need your money where your mouth is. Which might be helped by accepting the latest Onuachu bid. The Stu replacement is an interesting one isn't it. We've got that position right so infrequently - Stu was definitely right for a season or two, but we always seem to replace the less glamourous Stu Armstrong / Steven Davis type really good all around football brain and I'd say our most successful progressive MFs since being back in the PL with a Alcaraz, Aribo, Boufal, Clasie, Elyounoussi, Orsic none of which have worked out great - Aribo did well in the Championship and Alcaraz is likely to follow the route of Boufal, massive football talent but wasting it. I feel like RM sees the value of the Davis, Armstrong, Smallbone type player and so he's looking to make sure that the balance is right in there because we've had some huge flops from players with European Cup competition pedigree
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