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Post by spot51 on Oct 28, 2018 20:46:36 GMT
I read the report in today's Express (no, I haven't gone mad - it was all that was lefdt in the rack at Costa). They said the game was dire but what football was played was played by Saints. Apparently Charlie had a goal disallowed (not on MOTD he didn't) and the Express had Lemina as MoM: they said he was a "golden sovereign" among the dross.
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Post by channonite on Oct 28, 2018 21:13:03 GMT
I read the report in today's Express (no, I haven't gone mad - it was all that was lefdt in the rack at Costa). They said the game was dire but what football was played was played by Saints. Apparently Charlie had a goal disallowed (not on MOTD he didn't) and the Express had Lemina as MoM: they said he was a "golden sovereign" among the dross. Agree with their MoM, Lemina was awesome. If Højbjerg had been there we would surely have won, useless strikers or not. BTW what the heck has happened to Danny Ings? He appears a pale shadow of the player he was when he arrived in Southampton.
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Post by lorenzo on Oct 28, 2018 22:02:32 GMT
Agree with the above, neither Ings nor Austin fared well. At least Gabbiadini went hunting when he came on,and for me should stay in the line up and surely we could do no worse the put Gallagher alongside him. If there was a tactical error for me it was not swapping Elyanoussi for Armstrong.
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Post by saintsfan73 on Oct 29, 2018 11:09:41 GMT
Even I am getting fed up of hearing myself say it but we really cannot get out of the mess we are in until we have a complete clear out of all senior management.
The problem that all the managers since RK have had to deal with is the total clusterfuck our player recruitment has been the past 3 seasons. I can't even be bothered to do the sums but we must have spent something getting on for £150m the past 3 seasons without one decent transfer being brought in. The nearest we have got is Lemina had a few decent games last season and PEH has had a few decent games this season (but even then no real tangible return even from these two in terms of goals or assists)
It's telling about how mad things have been with recruitment that we are still turning to players like Long, Austin, Davis, Stephens, JWP, etc.
It's nigh on impossible for any manager to succeed with Vesteergard and Hoedt as CBs but we seem to have somewhat shored things up by bringing back Stephens - funnily enough a player who has been here years.
I think, given how awful our recruitment, is we just have to go back to the Southampton Way (the original one, not the mental one where it's a piece of piss to buy a player for £10m and sell to Liverpool two season later for £60m) and start using the Academy again.
I questioned this when we were bringing in players who were decent and the Academy players weren't PL level but when the ones we are bringing in for £10m-£20m who are a complete waste of time and money then we might has well saves hundreds of millions and use what we develop ourselves.
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Post by Furry Frank The Combat Wombat on Oct 29, 2018 16:40:07 GMT
Even I am getting fed up of hearing myself say it Fuckin'ell... it'll snow tomorrow.
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Post by saintsfan73 on Oct 29, 2018 16:47:13 GMT
Even I am getting fed up of hearing myself say it feckin'ell... it'll snow tomorrow. And you'll stop being the office doormat?
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Post by Furry Frank The Combat Wombat on Oct 29, 2018 16:49:34 GMT
feckin'ell... it'll snow tomorrow. And you'll stop being the office doormat? Steady on now...
...seems like they've found a replacement now, though so I can just get him to do everything from now on while I "train" him.
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Post by meatball on Oct 29, 2018 17:14:48 GMT
I don't know, I just watched the 30 minute highlights on Sky and, while it was only highlights, it was all Saints with some lovely passing moves. I don't know how far you can blame Hughes if the strikers at his disposal can't convert all that possession and all those shots into goals. The were periods of play in the match that were indeed utter garbage, but the highlights do tell the story quite well. I think there is a massive over-reaction going on here, the players are clearly good, the manager is not quite up to it and our strikers/attacking players have naff all confidence (highlighted by the early chance for Moi to square for Austin for an open goal and how that was fecked up, his first touch was the most difficult bit, he nailed that, then cocked up the simple pass). It's not easy to play against a team with literally no intent to play football. We are a few minor tweaks away from a half decent team, and a few major tweaks away from a very decent team. To add a certain amount of credibility to this feeling, my business partner from Holland came to the game, he is a Feyenoord supporter, has no knowledge really of any goings on at Saints, he just wanted to come and watch a decent game of premier league football. His overriding feeling after the match was that Saints played well for the most part, created really good chances, should have scored 2 or 3 goals and Newcastle were shit. He said the 0-0 scoreline was not a fair reflection of the game, that it was fun to watch.
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Post by meatball on Oct 29, 2018 17:16:41 GMT
Even I am getting fed up of hearing myself say it but we really cannot get out of the mess we are in until we have a complete clear out of all senior management. The problem that all the managers since RK have had to deal with is the total clusterfeck our player recruitment has been the past 3 seasons. I can't even be bothered to do the sums but we must have spent something getting on for £150m the past 3 seasons without one decent transfer being brought in. The nearest we have got is Lemina had a few decent games last season and PEH has had a few decent games this season (but even then no real tangible return even from these two in terms of goals or assists) It's telling about how mad things have been with recruitment that we are still turning to players like Long, Austin, Davis, Stephens, JWP, etc. It's nigh on impossible for any manager to succeed with Vesteergard and Hoedt as CBs but we seem to have somewhat shored things up by bringing back Stephens - funnily enough a player who has been here years. I think, given how awful our recruitment, is we just have to go back to the Southampton Way (the original one, not the mental one where it's a piece of piss to buy a player for £10m and sell to Liverpool two season later for £60m) and start using the Academy again. I questioned this when we were bringing in players who were decent and the Academy players weren't PL level but when the ones we are bringing in for £10m-£20m who are a complete waste of time and money then we might has well saves hundreds of millions and use what we develop ourselves. Just so way off the mark it's boring now. Did you know we were 3 points of the CL once upon a zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Post by dontknowcantremember on Oct 29, 2018 20:22:35 GMT
That was my first game in a long while and I came away thinking that we lack two things, confidence and anyone with a bit of magic in them. That said I'm not feeling overly negative either. Most of the players look like premier League players,all be it big standard ones, and there's a football team trying to get out.
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Post by channonite on Oct 29, 2018 22:10:01 GMT
That was my first game in a long while and I came away thinking that we lack two things, confidence and anyone with a bit of magic in them. That said I'm not feeling overly negative either. Most of the players look like premier League players,all be it big standard ones, and there's a football team trying to get out. Welcome and it's always good to get another slightly less jaundiced view of things. For my part I suspect that my view is coloured by the appalling, negative football that I have had to suffer over the last two seasons. the last time I felt really proud of Saints was at the League Cup Final against Manchester United, when Gabbiadini should have had a hat-trick, but had a perfectly good goal chalked off. Yes, the same player that we are now being told is useless. That's football fans all over, short term memory only. I tend to agree with you, the players are not as bad as we are constantly being told, but particularly the forwards have now got zero confidence and are clearly anxious in front of the home fans. Two points in five home games and three goals scored, one by a defender (Bertrand), one by a midfielder (Højbjerg) and a penalty scored by a forward (Ings), tells it's own story. The magic you talk about has been knocked out of them. Shame Højbjerg wasn't playing for you to see, as he is the one real joy to watch at the moment. With Manchester City away to come, things are going to get worse, before they get better, but I just have no faith in Hughes inspiring the team in the way he clearly managed at the tail end of last season.
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Post by dontknowcantremember on Oct 29, 2018 23:07:50 GMT
My wife said that the game reminded her of watching our six year old play football. He's ok, but the good kids just want to be involved more and neither team looked like they had any of the good kids. My son just thought it was good that Gabbiadini was there in front of him. Clearly there is a lack of confidence, but do you think it's being knocked out of the players rather than just drifting away as the run of poor results goes on? All the poor long passes got me wondering is this because the kicker isn't, playing well, or that the recieving players were not making themselves available, or were we watching the planned execution of a tactic where the poor pass completion statistics are something that is off set against the chance of gaining a few extra yards?
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Post by channonite on Oct 30, 2018 7:45:34 GMT
My wife said that the game reminded her of watching our six year old play football. He's ok, but the good kids just want to be involved more and neither team looked like they had any of the good kids. My son just thought it was good that Gabbiadini was there in front of him. Clearly there is a lack of confidence, but do you think it's being knocked out of the players rather than just drifting away as the run of poor results goes on? All the poor long passes got me wondering is this because the kicker isn't, playing well, or that the recieving players were not making themselves available, or were we watching the planned execution of a tactic where the poor pass completion statistics are something that is off set against the chance of gaining a few extra yards? Like a car crash, it is a combination of factors, all of which you mention. Lack of confidence, a long run of poor results, poor coaching, etc., etc. Each factor tends to impact on the other and to be frank, I have no idea how we are going to emerge from this, other than a run of good luck.
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Post by arfurdent on Oct 30, 2018 8:30:57 GMT
Even I am getting fed up of hearing myself say it but we really cannot get out of the mess we are in until we have a complete clear out of all senior management. The problem that all the managers since RK have had to deal with is the total clusterfeck our player recruitment has been the past 3 seasons. I can't even be bothered to do the sums but we must have spent something getting on for £150m the past 3 seasons without one decent transfer being brought in. The nearest we have got is Lemina had a few decent games last season and PEH has had a few decent games this season (but even then no real tangible return even from these two in terms of goals or assists) It's telling about how mad things have been with recruitment that we are still turning to players like Long, Austin, Davis, Stephens, JWP, etc. It's nigh on impossible for any manager to succeed with Vesteergard and Hoedt as CBs but we seem to have somewhat shored things up by bringing back Stephens - funnily enough a player who has been here years. I think, given how awful our recruitment, is we just have to go back to the Southampton Way (the original one, not the mental one where it's a piece of piss to buy a player for £10m and sell to Liverpool two season later for £60m) and start using the Academy again. I questioned this when we were bringing in players who were decent and the Academy players weren't PL level but when the ones we are bringing in for £10m-£20m who are a complete waste of time and money then we might has well saves hundreds of millions and use what we develop ourselves. Just so way off the mark it's boring now. Did you know we were 3 points of the CL once upon a zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz at the start of the season before the first match was played we were in a CL position
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Post by arfurdent on Oct 30, 2018 17:10:00 GMT
the game against Saturday was apparantly described by one highly paid pundit as "two eunuchs at a willy waiving competition"
It was so cold at the match that I obviously mistook it for the real thing
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