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Post by saintsfan73 on Apr 16, 2024 16:02:41 GMT
Interesting thread on TUI where a fan said he was part of a small number of fans who went to a pre-match s/t holders meeting with club officials. This was mainly around the safe standing/ move of away fans thing (which the club sadly confirmed) but they were also told that a lot of players would be asking to leave if we don't go up.
If we assume all of the loans will go plus Stuey and Adams are out of contract then I guess the players this will likely to be referring to would be KWP, Bednarek, Stephens and I guess of the youngsters Sulemana would be the most happy to get out of dodge.
We would certainly have less players still here from this year's starting lineup then we did from the relegation season to this one.
But would mean that we would have no choice but to look towards our youth academy as was the original Liebherr plan as opposed to this ill-fated 'player trading model' that the ice hockey coach started.
We certainly won't have another £30m to spunk on the likes of Bazunu/Edozie/Charles from PL academies which has to be a good thing.
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Post by Sir B3na1i on Apr 16, 2024 17:07:25 GMT
I wonder if Edozie is one. He is out of favour for some reason and it's not ability as he's been good when played.
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Post by ivangolac on Apr 17, 2024 7:59:42 GMT
Two factors here not really discussed.
1) how much dough would SR be willing to put in next season, all these clubs lose money, it’s just the size of the cheque at the end.
2) The loan market….arguably our best two players are on loan, why would Downes not want to come back, he ain’t getting in the side at Hammers. And we would be looking at a couple of others…
Oh. And we are going up so none of it matters…(it’s the hope that kills you). We are the best team in this league, I’m convinced of it. Now we just need to show them all
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Post by THE BEAST on Apr 17, 2024 8:22:11 GMT
yes, we all know this.
If we go up we will be understrength, if we stay we will be annihilated (good players leaving)
KWP, Bedders, H B, FD, Che, Stewie, Brookes, Sully… They will, almost to a man, leave. and if we are lucky, maybe even Baz and his agent will manage to successfully agitate for a move.
And make no mistake, HB & FD are already coveted by the teams likely to go up such as Leeds and Ipswich, not sure about Leicester?
We will basically lose our spine, that will be seriously problematic.
we are in a really thorny position at the moment.
We need to get promoted… Really really badly… If we don't I cannot see how we can successfully recruit for everyone we are going to lose, not internally or externally will there be enough talent (or money) to recruit enough quality footballers to make us competitive again against the teams coming down, let alone against what's already here.
That was depressing to write
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Post by saintsfan73 on Apr 17, 2024 8:41:50 GMT
I wonder if Edozie is one. He is out of favour for some reason and it's not ability as he's been good when played. Think he's one of the most likely still to be here Benners. Signed on PL wages, looked poor in that league and isn't a regular starter in tier 2. No PL club will be in for him and he's out of the wage bracket for every Championship club (and he's a pro footballer so would never accept a massive salary cut just to play f'kin football more). |
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Post by saintsfan73 on Apr 17, 2024 8:57:05 GMT
yes, we all know this. If we go up we will be understrength, if we stay we will be annihilated (good players leaving) KWP, Bedders, H B, FD, Che, Stewie, Brookes, Sully… They will, almost to a man, leave. and if we are lucky, maybe even Baz and his agent will manage to successfully agitate for a move. And make no mistake, HB & FD are already coveted by the teams likely to go up such as Leeds and Ipswich, not sure about Leicester? We will basically lose our spine, that will be seriously problematic. we are in a really thorny position at the moment. We need to get promoted… Really really badly… If we don't I cannot see how we can successfully recruit for everyone we are going to lose, not internally or externally will there be enough talent (or money) to recruit enough quality footballers to make us competitive again against the teams coming down, let alone against what's already here. That was depressing to write We'll be left with the Championship level Manning and Bree, the kids like Edozie and Charles, kids from our own Academy like Dribling and Mega-Homer and the max 5 loans from PL teams. That could well be enough for the playoffs though. As much as I don't think Rusty's way of playing has got the best from the established pros he's got this season it may not be all that bad for a bunch of eager to learn kids to pick up. And don't forget just how utterly dreadful the level of play is in this league outside of the relegated PL teams and an outlier like Ipswich. We are currently THIRTY points ahead of what a mid-table team has got. |
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Post by saintsfan73 on Apr 17, 2024 9:05:40 GMT
Two factors here not really discussed. 1) how much dough would SR be willing to put in next season, all these clubs lose money, it’s just the size of the cheque at the end. (Less than) nothing. And I don't think they can even if they wanted to. We lost over 100m last season, and will be running at a loss again this one (there's only so many cracks the Tino/Lavia money can paper over.) At that s/t holders meeting on Saturday the club finance officer admitted all of the parachute payments have gone in paying loan interest. It would be very naive to think we won't have the possibility of points deductions next season the way they are now being handed out. SR have not run the club very well financially. |
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Post by saintsfan73 on Apr 17, 2024 9:09:49 GMT
yes, we all know this. If we go up we will be understrength, if we stay we will be annihilated (good players leaving) KWP, Bedders, H B, FD, Che, Stewie, Brookes, Sully… They will, almost to a man, leave. and if we are lucky, maybe even Baz and his agent will manage to successfully agitate for a move. And make no mistake, HB & FD are already coveted by the teams likely to go up such as Leeds and Ipswich, not sure about Leicester? We will basically lose our spine, that will be seriously problematic. we are in a really thorny position at the moment. We need to get promoted… Really really badly… If we don't I cannot see how we can successfully recruit for everyone we are going to lose, not internally or externally will there be enough talent (or money) to recruit enough quality footballers to make us competitive again against the teams coming down, let alone against what's already here. That was depressing to write We'll be left with the Championship level Manning and Bree, the kids like Edozie and Charles, kids from our own Academy like Dribling and Mega-Homer and the max 5 loans from PL teams. That could well be enough for the playoffs though. As much as I don't think Rusty's way of playing has got the best from the established pros he's got this season it may not be all that bad for a bunch of eager to learn kids to pick up. And don't forget just how utterly dreadful the level of play is in this league outside of the relegated PL teams and an outlier like Ipswich. We are currently THIRTY points ahead of what a mid-table team has got. Oh yeah and the CNM might be a star at this level next season if he can avoid being injured. |
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Post by Sir B3na1i on Apr 17, 2024 9:19:59 GMT
I wonder if Edozie is one. He is out of favour for some reason and it's not ability as he's been good when played. Think he's one of the most likely still to be here Benners. Signed on PL wages, looked poor in that league and isn't a regular starter in tier 2. No PL club will be in for him and he's out of the wage bracket for every Championship club (and he's a pro footballer so would never accept a massive salary cut just to play f'kin football more). I really hope you're right. The boy is quality. |
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Post by ivangolac on Apr 17, 2024 12:27:47 GMT
Just to re-clarify....
I think we would simply re-enter the loan market and try to find another HB or Downes, or Fraser......Although clear we have got very lucky this tine around we are definitely trusted as a club to send your prospects out to and maybe a good place for a moneyball player like Fraser, Brookes or Rothwell.
We will have the heralded Ross back, I think AA is happy and Edozie would stay. an older Charles, Smallbone, Stephens, Bree, Bedders, Manning are all players we can relate to.....For me it is replacing a player like S Armstrong and KWP that is the problem.
I still think we'd be competitive.....as long as we play the loan market right.
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Post by Mandochris on Apr 17, 2024 12:46:18 GMT
As I posted in another thread earlier yesterday ...
Even if we don't go up and we lose some top players, we will still have a team that can do well at this level.
I don't know what any of the contract situations are but I think we'll probably keep Baz, Bree, Stephens, Manning, Arma, Edozie, Charles, Larios, Stewart, Smallbone
We might keep Bednarek, Aribo, Che (will a prem club want him?), Fraser (he may want the change in any case to be back down south)
Then we have the kids : Amo Amas, Dibbling, Bollard, (I don't know the others).
+ one or two we will buy or loan.
We should be competitive with that lot. The only one of the other 3 top 2 contenders who will probably keep their players if they don't go up will be Ipswich, and they might lose a couple.
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Post by saintsfan73 on Apr 17, 2024 13:10:05 GMT
Just to re-clarify.... I think we would simply re-enter the loan market Can we afford to do this with PL clubs? We would be far more dependent next season on PL clubs being willing to pay the majority of their wages while they play for us. No way we can afford to have 5 players on PL wages. |
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Post by THE BEAST on Apr 17, 2024 14:33:04 GMT
I fundamentally disagree we can do okay at this level with the players we have left.
Unless we get 5 future superstars in on loan, and don't forget one of them has to be a goalkeeper because The Polo is out for a year, they will have to be fecking Stellar to build the breaches left by any of the ones leaving (even the worst ones).
Charles, dozy & Mara are really still learning, and none of them will be good enough to anchor a position in an automatically qualifying team next year.
I agree that half of this league is playing utter shit… However, even saying that, on any given day most of them can have surprising wins over even the best teams in the league… There are no sure points in this league, and for that I owe Rusty an apology for what he's achieved.
I know everyone looks at attackers for wins, but the prevention of losses comes from defenders and defensive midfielders, we will basically not have 4 of our 5 first choice defence this year available. Whether one agrees with all of them being first choice this year is irrelevant, they are settled and they are, (some of them) to some degree at least, experienced professionals.
To replace 2 central defenders even approaching the calibre of the ones we have, one of the hardest positions to recruit for anywhere, will be a staggeringly difficult challenge.
Same for FD, whatever your opinion of his quality, in this league, he is standout… there are not many of those players available, just kicking their heels, waiting for a call from Southampton
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Post by Furry Frank The Combat Wombat on Apr 23, 2024 20:42:53 GMT
All of them can feck off for all I care
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Post by choixkoix on Apr 24, 2024 0:19:23 GMT
I wonder if the folly in this season is the lack of development time for players we will want to come to the fore next season. Charles has barely touched the grass during 2024. SAA, Meghoma and Dibling have barely been involved too.
On the outs, I wonder what the future holds for our star goalscorer and assist-maker, Adam A. I think he's down to one year remaining. Ipswich wanted him before. He will surely be in demand from them again, and others. Me, I believe in fairy tales and dragons and could see him pairing with Ross Stewart and destroying the division.
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