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Post by earlscourtsaint on Jul 16, 2024 13:28:24 GMT
I hope you are right, but I'm just wondering what you are basing this on? I haven't seen anything from him that comes across as class. I think that last season he got I think 2 assists all season was it, both in the home game against Leeds and they were both just simple pull backs that didn't really show any great skill. I think we would be well shot of him if we can get any decent fee for him. I agree... his results / stats are shocking... as of yet hardly affected periods of play, let alone matches. I might be way off.... but from the way he moves, his balance, his technical side, he looks a proper baller... he's just doing nothing. He needs a constant run of games and some results... if he gets 3 or 4 games on the bounce and has some wins, I think he cold be a huge player for us.. if he's in and out and out.. and benched he might never get any traction with us and time to go... but I bet... he will get going somewhere and be incredible. There is definitely a player in there, remember he was only behind Messi, Mbappe & Naymar (FFS!!) in taking on and getting past opponents during his time in France - he's young, quick & strong, and expensive, I'd deffo keep him!
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Post by Sir B3na1i on Jul 16, 2024 13:52:46 GMT
Just been looking at the OS and all the numbers have been removed from the first team pics which are now in alphabetical order. Intertestingly it still shows Che Adams as our player. I thought he was leaving when the contract ran out. Wouldn't read too much into it. Probably just the web team not being on the ball. Apparently Adams will be heading abroad rather than to Wolves. I'm fuming about this... ...If he's going to be missing sitters for other teams it should be in the PL so he's hindering our opposition
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Post by baconleetravis on Jul 16, 2024 14:35:29 GMT
I hope you are right, but I'm just wondering what you are basing this on? I haven't seen anything from him that comes across as class. I think that last season he got I think 2 assists all season was it, both in the home game against Leeds and they were both just simple pull backs that didn't really show any great skill. I think we would be well shot of him if we can get any decent fee for him. I agree... his results / stats are shocking... as of yet hardly affected periods of play, let alone matches. I might be way off.... but from the way he moves, his balance, his technical side, he looks a proper baller... he's just doing nothing. He needs a constant run of games and some results... if he gets 3 or 4 games on the bounce and has some wins, I think he cold be a huge player for us.. if he's in and out and out.. and benched he might never get any traction with us and time to go... but I bet... he will get going somewhere and be incredible. I think I agree, and the cup game against Liverpool he destroyed them (except he didn't because he never scored). The question is will Russ trust him enough to give him enough game time. When Mane arrived he looked very similar to how Sully does now, clumsy, lacking ball control and cutting edge, but Mane was surrounded by class and got the game time. Sully's first season he was surrounded by madness and the worst team in the league. A tough decision to make.
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Post by choixkoix on Jul 16, 2024 15:13:39 GMT
No, no, no. He's had chances at 2nd division level and been sometimes anonymous, other times penetrative but useless. His record for assists and goals in his time at the club is risible, and he did not set any forests on fire with those statistics in Ligue 1 either.
If you take away the pace, I've seen little evidence of the composure, decision-making, finishing or passing ability you want from that position. He also does not seem to have any effective ability to cut inside with any menace.
Journalists in France said he was vastly inferior to Ouattara, who had been our first choice.and so its proved.
He's not a teenager. I'm sure its hard joining a chaotic club in another country and getting relegated and being on your third manager. But he was competing with Edozie and Fraser last season in a league where his pace was off the chart compared to every defender he faced. Can you honestly imply that the lad has the application and mental requirements to bridge the gaps in his performances. He didnt show it.
He was bought when a counter press philosophy still ruled and you could kind of see him doing something in that kind of side, and that was how he showed some promise in that first season. Thats not us now.
Mediocrity beckons.
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Post by THE BEAST on Jul 16, 2024 19:50:20 GMT
No, no, no. He's had chances at 2nd division level and been sometimes anonymous, other times penetrative but useless. His record for assists and goals in his time at the club is risible, and he did not set any forests on fire with those statistics in Ligue 1 either. If you take away the pace, I've seen little evidence of the composure, decision-making, finishing or passing ability you want from that position. He also does not seem to have any effective ability to cut inside with any menace. Journalists in France said he was vastly inferior to Ouattara, who had been our first choice.and so its proved. He's not a teenager. I'm sure its hard joining a chaotic club in another country and getting relegated and being on your third manager. But he was competing with Edozie and Fraser last season in a league where his pace was off the chart compared to every defender he faced. Can you honestly imply that the lad has the application and mental requirements to bridge the gaps in his performances. He didnt show it. He was bought when a counter press philosophy still ruled and you could kind of see him doing something in that kind of side, and that was how he showed some promise in that first season. Thats not us now. Mediocrity beckons. this… … In its entirety
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Post by Frankfurt Saint on Jul 17, 2024 11:40:05 GMT
TP and Sulemana should try some other sports because they’re sure as hell not footballers.
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Post by earlscourtsaint on Jul 17, 2024 12:03:31 GMT
TP and Sulemana should try some other sports because they’re sure as hell not footballers. I assume TP is Onuachu . . . . . if so his scoring record is amazing!! 15 from 21 starts last season, and more than 1 every 2 games in his career, he's definately a player, just didn't fit in with RMs plans
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Post by jickster on Jul 17, 2024 13:03:56 GMT
TP and Sulemana should try some other sports because they’re sure as hell not footballers. I assume TP is Onuachu . . . . . if so his scoring record is amazing!! 15 from 21 starts last season, and more than 1 every 2 games in his career, he's definately a player, just didn't fit in with RMs plans Yes. Some players just fit certain clubs and/or leagues, but don't translate to other contexts. Onuachu did not fit Saints when he arrived (and I heard his attitude annoyed Russell Martin too in the Gillingham cup game) and I can't see it changing here. But the good news is that as you say, his goals record will mean he has value for certain other teams and we can hopefully get a decent fee back for him.
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Post by Mandochris on Jul 17, 2024 14:49:44 GMT
He and Bree were bought to make the other guy (I forget his name, but I tend to forget names all the time now) feel that he had the support of the club. Both seemed crazy at the time, but I'm sure that was why they were bought.
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Post by Frankfurt Saint on Jul 17, 2024 15:20:52 GMT
TP and Sulemana should try some other sports because they’re sure as hell not footballers. I assume TP is Onuachu . . . . . if so his scoring record is amazing!! 15 from 21 starts last season, and more than 1 every 2 games in his career, he's definately a player, just didn't fit in with RMs plans I’ve seen various comments from people saying Onuachu is the worst Saints player they have ever seen - and that’s a crowded field - but I don’t know if Russell Martin is also in that camp. He obviously doesn’t suit Russell Martin’s brand of football but I think there’s also an argument to be made that he’s total crap. He has one of the few highlights reels that actually make him look worse rather than better. It’s the same with Che Adams. Most of the goals he scored before he joined Saints seemed to be mid-hit or go straight through Championship keepers. He’s never been good enough either. What’s the level in Belgium or Turkey like compared to the Premier League or even the Championship? I genuinely don’t know but I would suspect it’s not that high. Bree, Sulemana and Tall Paul were total panic buys instigated by a manager on his last legs and that should never have been allowed by the club. The sooner we can get them all out, the better, although I’m not sure we will get much money back on any of them.
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Post by Frankfurt Saint on Jul 17, 2024 15:28:23 GMT
I assume TP is Onuachu . . . . . if so his scoring record is amazing!! 15 from 21 starts last season, and more than 1 every 2 games in his career, he's definately a player, just didn't fit in with RMs plans Yes. Some players just fit certain clubs and/or leagues, but don't translate to other contexts. Onuachu did not fit Saints when he arrived (and I heard his attitude annoyed Russell Martin too in the Gillingham cup game) and I can't see it changing here. But the good news is that as you say, his goals record will mean he has value for certain other teams and we can hopefully get a decent fee back for him. There’s no sign of any fee for Tall Paul yet so he can’t be that much in demand - but if Saints can get money back on a player like Lyanco then anything is possible. I don’t know who was responsible for some of these transfers in recent years but I really hope whoever it was is no longer at the club or at least doesn’t have any responsibility for recruitment now. The fact that we seem to have some sort of transfer strategy would suggest that recruitment is a bit more considered now than it was a little while back. We might still end up with the odd stinker but we had far more than our fair share in recent years and that’s one of the main reasons why we finished bottom and got relegated. Out of all those kids we signed from Man City only one (Lavia) has made any impact - and we were lucky to sell him before he got completely crocked.
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Post by spot51 on Jul 17, 2024 16:09:00 GMT
Yes. Some players just fit certain clubs and/or leagues, but don't translate to other contexts. Onuachu did not fit Saints when he arrived (and I heard his attitude annoyed Russell Martin too in the Gillingham cup game) and I can't see it changing here. But the good news is that as you say, his goals record will mean he has value for certain other teams and we can hopefully get a decent fee back for him. There’s no sign of any fee for Tall Paul yet so he can’t be that much in demand - but if Saints can get money back on a player like Lyanco then anything is possible. I don’t know who was responsible for some of these transfers in recent years but I really hope whoever it was is no longer at the club or at least doesn’t have any responsibility for recruitment now. The fact that we seem to have some sort of transfer strategy would suggest that recruitment is a bit more considered now than it was a little while back. We might still end up with the odd stinker but we had far more than our fair share in recent years and that’s one of the main reasons why we finished bottom and got relegated. Out of all those kids we signed from Man City only one (Lavia) has made any impact - and we were lucky to sell him before he got completely crocked. Are you forgetting our "Future England Captain"?
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Post by crazydanny on Jul 17, 2024 19:10:55 GMT
Are there any other clubs who are in need of a a right back who are able to spend £23 million?
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Post by channonite on Jul 17, 2024 19:19:57 GMT
Are there any other clubs who are in need of a a right back who are able to spend £23 million? Interesting. I wondered when there was no news about Walker-Peters today. I wonder if not selling Walker-Peters would mean we cannot afford to buy O’Reilly for example?
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Post by Furry Frank The Combat Wombat on Jul 17, 2024 19:48:46 GMT
Are there any other clubs who are in need of a a right back who are able to spend £23 million? Interesting. I wondered when there was no news about Walker-Peters today. I wonder if not selling Walker-Peters would mean we cannot afford to buy O’Reilly for example? He's too good for the porno shop... unfortunately for him the other option is going back to spurs, which is unpalatable, but they do have cash.
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