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Post by Furry Frank The Combat Wombat on Jul 17, 2024 19:51:40 GMT
Yes. Some players just fit certain clubs and/or leagues, but don't translate to other contexts. Onuachu did not fit Saints when he arrived (and I heard his attitude annoyed Russell Martin too in the Gillingham cup game) and I can't see it changing here. But the good news is that as you say, his goals record will mean he has value for certain other teams and we can hopefully get a decent fee back for him. There’s no sign of any fee for Tall Paul yet so he can’t be that much in demand - but if Saints can get money back on a player like Lyanco then anything is possible. I don’t know who was responsible for some of these transfers in recent years but I really hope whoever it was is no longer at the club or at least doesn’t have any responsibility for recruitment now. The fact that we seem to have some sort of transfer strategy would suggest that recruitment is a bit more considered now than it was a little while back. We might still end up with the odd stinker but we had far more than our fair share in recent years and that’s one of the main reasons why we finished bottom and got relegated. Out of all those kids we signed from Man City only one (Lavia) has made any impact - and we were lucky to sell him before he got completely crocked. That's a little short sighted... there's still a chance Edozie, Charles and Larios will come good, albeit not the rightsigningsfor a relegation fight.. and THB is definitely a good signing
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Post by earlscourtsaint on Jul 17, 2024 19:56:41 GMT
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Post by threehundred on Jul 17, 2024 20:47:02 GMT
How do these purchases / loans to Göztepe sit with FFP?
Presumably, unless the annual loan fee exceeds the written down pro-rate transfer fee, this will piss on our balance sheet and impact our ability to strengthen our own team.
Or have I got this completely wrong?
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Post by choixkoix on Jul 18, 2024 0:39:28 GMT
Interesting. I wondered when there was no news about Walker-Peters today. I wonder if not selling Walker-Peters would mean we cannot afford to buy O’Reilly for example? He's too good for the porno shop... unfortunately for him the other option is going back to spurs, which is unpalatable, but they do have cash. Brighton are also interested in KWP and have the money. Typical W Ham though. There's quite a big difference in the attributes between KWP and Wan-Bissaka. Beyond the fact that you're buying established PL quality at a good age, one is far more focused on transition, the other is far more on defensive solidity. Which do you need?! I think we do have a risk here with 1 year left, and we surely need the money, both for use this window and for longer-term prudence. How many teams actually prioritise a right back in their business? If clubs have money, they'll more often spend marquee sums on a midfielder or attacking player. At one year remaining, 20m-ish is probably about max reasonable value for KWP. Fair play on our stubbornness in deals with Lavia and JWP, but this might be a slightly different situation, especially if it impacts other incomings this window...
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Post by choixkoix on Jul 18, 2024 0:47:27 GMT
We do seem to be amping up our scouting in Japan and Brazil, looking for value. On paper this guy looks like a curious one. 22, striker, couple of years of almost entirely sub performances albeit for a big club, but almost no goals. Can't be much of a fee I think. File under 'cheap punt on a potential striker' that doesnt hurt if it doesnt pay off.
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Post by Frankfurt Saint on Jul 18, 2024 7:24:16 GMT
Brilliant. It’s not like we need a striker at the moment anyway. All hail our Turkish overlords.
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Post by Frankfurt Saint on Jul 18, 2024 7:25:38 GMT
There’s no sign of any fee for Tall Paul yet so he can’t be that much in demand - but if Saints can get money back on a player like Lyanco then anything is possible. I don’t know who was responsible for some of these transfers in recent years but I really hope whoever it was is no longer at the club or at least doesn’t have any responsibility for recruitment now. The fact that we seem to have some sort of transfer strategy would suggest that recruitment is a bit more considered now than it was a little while back. We might still end up with the odd stinker but we had far more than our fair share in recent years and that’s one of the main reasons why we finished bottom and got relegated. Out of all those kids we signed from Man City only one (Lavia) has made any impact - and we were lucky to sell him before he got completely crocked. That's a little short sighted... there's still a chance Edozie, Charles and Larios will come good, albeit not the rightsigningsfor a relegation fight.. and THB is definitely a good signing I forgot about THB TBF. The rest are either shite or always injured in the case of Larios (and he may also be shite for all we know).
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Post by vectis on Jul 18, 2024 8:00:54 GMT
www.givemesport.com/southampton-make-shock-move-for-rak-sakyi/Not sure if this has been posted already. Not sure why we're competing with championship clubs for a player Palace don't want but maybe he's better than the championship? Ok, that's unfair. We do want young talent, but is this kid better than what we already have? Also we still want Broja back according to Sky Sports but I can't see him fitting into RM's team, can you? Especially not for 35mil!
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Post by saintsfan73 on Jul 18, 2024 8:06:54 GMT
That's a little short sighted... there's still a chance Edozie, Charles and Larios will come good, albeit not the rightsigningsfor a relegation fight.. and THB is definitely a good signing I forgot about THB TBF. The rest are either shite or always injured in the case of Larios (and he may also be shite for all we know). THB was done correctly though. Loan with option to buy to on a player who has played at senior level and proven at the level we were at. The ones that aren't working are the ones where we just spend £10m on a City academy kid who's never played first team football. As you say the only return on 5 or 6 of those is the money Chelsea fortuitously gave us after seeing Lavia play a dozen or so times.
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Post by choixkoix on Jul 18, 2024 11:41:00 GMT
www.givemesport.com/southampton-make-shock-move-for-rak-sakyi/Not sure if this has been posted already. Not sure why we're competing with championship clubs for a player Palace don't want but maybe he's better than the championship? Ok, that's unfair. We do want young talent, but is this kid better than what we already have? Also we still want Broja back according to Sky Sports but I can't see him fitting into RM's team, can you? Especially not for 35mil! He absolutely destroyed League One when loaned there. Its believed his ceiling is PL.
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Post by crazydanny on Jul 18, 2024 14:04:05 GMT
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Post by theallseeingeye on Jul 18, 2024 14:14:32 GMT
Oh dear...
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Post by threehundred on Jul 18, 2024 14:18:01 GMT
Stick him in the stiffs for 6 months.
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Post by choixkoix on Jul 18, 2024 15:36:18 GMT
Trabzonspor have already indicated they want to wait this out and the Turkish window closes after ours. Even without the player trying to force the move, there isnt really any way the club can win from this.
The mistake was on the original signing and the monster fee. Got to suck it up. I think they're offering loan and then permanent next summer for half of what we want. Take it. Don't make such a wild signing again.
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Post by Furry Frank The Combat Wombat on Jul 18, 2024 15:41:44 GMT
That's a little short sighted... there's still a chance Edozie, Charles and Larios will come good, albeit not the rightsigningsfor a relegation fight.. and THB is definitely a good signing I forgot about THB TBF. The rest are either shite or always injured in the case of Larios (and he may also be shite for all we know). I'm not disputing that buying them for a relegation scrap was a poor choice, but I will dispute that they're crap. Edozie looked the better of our LW options last season when he had a run of games, and Charles looked OK when he wasn't dropped in the deep end by RM in a panicking defence...I think he could have a part to play alongside Downes if we're going for a defensive setup. Larios, who knows. The Irish mist, I'll give you that one...although arguably he's been mismanaged. Brighton have a young keeper who was eased in last season and now he's no1 and no1 for NL.
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