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Post by choixkoix on Aug 7, 2024 7:12:15 GMT
-Sam Johnstone might want to leave Palace -Brest want Mara -We're favourites for Buonanotte
Fingers crossed on each of those.
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Post by earlscourtsaint on Aug 7, 2024 10:30:07 GMT
I genuinely thought ABK was going to be the next VVD, I accept he's been hit by injury in the last year, but when he made his debut for Germany his value must have been somewhere around the £40m mark - what might we get for him now, maybe £10m??
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Post by crazydanny on Aug 7, 2024 10:50:07 GMT
I genuinely thought ABK was going to be the next VVD, I accept he's been hit by injury in the last year, but when he made his debut for Germany his value must have been somewhere around the £40m mark - what might we get for him now, maybe £10m?? This bit from Adam Blackmore was quite revealing if you ask me. Although they would probably accept his behavior if he were simply one of the best.
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Post by Frankfurt Saint on Aug 7, 2024 13:03:38 GMT
I genuinely thought ABK was going to be the next VVD, I accept he's been hit by injury in the last year, but when he made his debut for Germany his value must have been somewhere around the £40m mark - what might we get for him now, maybe £10m?? Even £10m might be a bit optimistic. If he could stay fit and had the right attitude he’d be worth a lot more but the jury is out on both counts.
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Post by earlscourtsaint on Aug 7, 2024 13:20:07 GMT
I genuinely thought ABK was going to be the next VVD, I accept he's been hit by injury in the last year, but when he made his debut for Germany his value must have been somewhere around the £40m mark - what might we get for him now, maybe £10m?? Even £10m might be a bit optimistic. If he could stay fit and had the right attitude he’d be worth a lot more but the jury is out on both counts. Maybe that's exactly the problem, he believed his own hype and also genuinely thought he was the next VVD! A classic case of a young lad with a huge amount of potential suddenly thinking that he was better than he had actually proven he was - this is where agents are seen for the blood sucking leeches many of them are - had he been better managed he could have avoided the arrogant stroppy tag and had a far higher value than he has now. That said, he can't be on a bad wage at Saints, if he had a change of attitude and was fit and firing he would have the opportunity to finally realise his potential and get himself a proper big money move by proving his worth!
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Post by saintsfan73 on Aug 8, 2024 9:18:41 GMT
Interesting quote from Martin re: no players leaving. Usually this would be a good thing but he was phrasing it as a bad thing so it appears that we are very much in the sell before we can buy stakes. I assume he was referring to ABK and KWP both still being here when the club was hoping we would have move both on by now.
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Post by saintsfan73 on Aug 8, 2024 9:19:30 GMT
Brest seem to be in for Mara. Here's hoping.
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Post by Sir B3na1i on Aug 8, 2024 9:46:21 GMT
Interesting quote from Martin re: no players leaving. Usually this would be a good thing but he was phrasing it as a bad thing so it appears that we are very much in the sell before we can buy stakes. I assume he was referring to ABK and KWP both still being here when the club was hoping we would have move both on by now. I think we all know it's a bad thing for us, we have had some major failures when last in the PL and so getting ABK, Tall Paul, Mara and Sully off the books has to be a priority first surely? Then there's the weird situation with KWP who isn't featuring and has a year left so we can all safely assume he wants out, because Bednarek is in the same boat contractually and is playing.
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Post by Mandochris on Aug 8, 2024 9:52:59 GMT
I thought Mara looked decent against Lazio, with some lovely turns.
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Post by saintsfan73 on Aug 8, 2024 10:34:03 GMT
KWP who isn't featuring and has a year left so we can all safely assume he wants out I'd say the opposite. He wants in. He has turned down his new deal and wants to see out his contract and leave on a Bosman and get his signing bonus next Summer. it's the club who wants him out. By not playing him the club are trying to force his hand as Chelsea did with making Gallagher train with the U21s which seems to have worked for them. It's poor form from the club imo. KWP was too good for tier 2 last season but stayed with us, got kicked up in the air every week, and helped the club get the £160m from promotion so if he ends up costing us £10m by not getting a fee for him then so be it. I think we owe him that. We should just let him see things out (as we seem to be doing with Bednarek) The reality of the situation is we may well need him anyway as he'll probably end up getting picked ahead of the bloke signed to replace him at some stage this season and is also probably the best LB we have on the books...
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Post by choixkoix on Aug 8, 2024 12:18:15 GMT
The departures are key because they dictate the ultimate transfer budget and wage bill wiggle room,also FFP situation. As we want 2 probably 3 more players (4 if you include a GK), our bidding on incomings has to be really cloudy and conservative until we start shifting some. Given how much we wanted O'Riley and how limitedly we have increased our bid, you can deduce 20-25m on the transfer fee front would be somewhere around us emptying everything left on one signing.
Another comment in Russ' interview with Adam Blackmore is that we have walked away from some players we were were negotiating on due to height of the fee wanted.
On KWP, he got stuck in and undid the relegation.. He and Bednarek can do what they please in my book and they are the perfect age to see what comes their way at contract end and get a big signing on fee. The club can't afford the Bosmans. Good players should never be allowed to get to that point but relegation came at the wtong time and tied our hands. The difficulty the club faces is that in all brutal honesty, whilst they are good players for us, they're both not quite good enough to really attract that strong interest with a wallet behind it. The clubs that will be the level that would sniff them out - a Genoa, Fulham or a Wolves are going to see 1 year remaining on the contract and either throw in a cheeky low bid or wait a year.
We, the fans, will happily smile at a year more of KWP. Promise you though, financially, a year more of KWP = at least a year less of THB.
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Post by Frankfurt Saint on Aug 8, 2024 12:19:45 GMT
I thought Mara looked decent against Lazio, with some lovely turns. I also thought he looked decent at times, better than he has for a long time.
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Post by Frankfurt Saint on Aug 8, 2024 12:20:37 GMT
KWP who isn't featuring and has a year left so we can all safely assume he wants out I'd say the opposite. He wants in. He has turned down his new deal and wants to see out his contract and leave on a Bosman and get his signing bonus next Summer. it's the club who wants him out. By not playing him the club are trying to force his hand as Chelsea did with making Gallagher train with the U21s which seems to have worked for them. It's poor form from the club imo. KWP was too good for tier 2 last season but stayed with us, got kicked up in the air every week, and helped the club get the £160m from promotion so if he ends up costing us £10m by not getting a fee for him then so be it. I think we owe him that. We should just let him see things out (as we seem to be doing with Bednarek) The reality of the situation is we may well need him anyway as he'll probably end up getting picked ahead of the bloke signed to replace him at some stage this season and is also probably the best LB we have on the books... I don’t care how much we need the money. I’d lock him up until the transfer window closes. Sell some of our shit players instead.
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Post by Sir B3na1i on Aug 8, 2024 12:31:17 GMT
KWP who isn't featuring and has a year left so we can all safely assume he wants out I'd say the opposite. He wants in. He has turned down his new deal and wants to see out his contract and leave on a Bosman and get his signing bonus next Summer. it's the club who wants him out. By not playing him the club are trying to force his hand as Chelsea did with making Gallagher train with the U21s which seems to have worked for them. It's poor form from the club imo. KWP was too good for tier 2 last season but stayed with us, got kicked up in the air every week, and helped the club get the £160m from promotion so if he ends up costing us £10m by not getting a fee for him then so be it. I think we owe him that. We should just let him see things out (as we seem to be doing with Bednarek) The reality of the situation is we may well need him anyway as he'll probably end up getting picked ahead of the bloke signed to replace him at some stage this season and is also probably the best LB we have on the books... Yeah I see what you're saying about opposite you're right, he wants to wait the contract out and then wants out. I have to be honest I think we appear to be cutting off our nose so spite our face here. KWP is the best FB(L/R) at the club - as you say. And, I think one of the best in the country. We give ourselves the best chance of staying up by playing our best available players every time we step onto the pitch in the PL. All positions being equal, KWP is our best player. Playing him gives us the best possible chance of staying up. Whatever fee we could get for him now (last year of contract, what £15m tops) is nothing compared to staying in the PL, because that's two years PL money secured. Of course this is all a bit academic because no matter how good the outfield players are, going into the PL without a goalkeeper is daft
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Post by crazydanny on Aug 8, 2024 20:24:05 GMT
Context is important and Russell Martin did say the club can still do something in the transfer market if it’s urgent and they need to (which they do, so they must.) However…
If you’re just annoyed that the club still need to sell, then you are entitled to that feeling (it costing the club £50m to only make the XI as good as last season is less than ideal). But if you’re surprised, then you just haven’t been listening.
It’s been made clear by leadership all summer that the money isn’t there. £100m spent on mostly rubbish in 2022/23, £100m losses between June 2021-2023 and relegation affecting PSR limits + off-pitch ££ (MSD loan). Sales last summer merely filled the black hole.
Big concern for me is that the sellable assets are all still here. Bella-Kotchap, Onuachu, Kamaldeen, Walker-Peters (under strict ransom though). Going to be interesting to see how Saints navigate these next three weeks - need a lot in and out. Bigger conversation above my pay grade and understanding is whether these PSR rules are right for the game.
Also, this isn’t to say the club aren’t making offers or going to do anything first - they’ve clearly been in for players, had bids rejected and Russell Martin’s hinted at bringing in one or two soon. This is just context as to why they’re not throwing £30m bids about.
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