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Post by shirleymush on Feb 3, 2012 12:58:19 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-16861672You can almost see the gears whirring in Cameron's evil, spammy head. Set the GPs up to fail by giving them commissioning powers requiring specialist skills. When they do fail, bring in private commissioning consultants who will come to operate like health insurers. They will be able to pick and choose patients with no geographical responsibility, and differences will start to emerge in services offered. And that will be the end of the NHS.
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Post by THE BEAST on Feb 3, 2012 14:26:59 GMT
the end of days, or it will be for the NHS if these bastards keep going
As for giving doctors commissioning powers, talk about the inmates running the asylum!
Fail
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Post by Furry Frank The Combat Wombat on Feb 3, 2012 15:00:33 GMT
...I'm a fan of cuts in principle (ie from a tax point of view), but am mystified about the bits they are going after. Leave the doctors, police, teachers etc. alone and go after the real problem - the jobsworths that clog up most government departments that don't actually do anything but protect their little empire and waste taxpayers time and money. Get rid of the fooking pointless layers of bureacratic penpushing formfilling redtape munchers, and we'd save enough to wipe out the deficit and add a few front line staff FFS.
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Post by shirleymush on Feb 3, 2012 15:14:56 GMT
...I'm a fan of cuts in principle (ie from a tax point of view), but am mystified about the bits they are going after. Leave the doctors, police, teachers etc. alone and go after the real problem - the jobsworths that clog up most government departments that don't actually do anything but protect their little empire and waste taxpayers time and money. Get rid of the fooking pointless layers of bureacratic penpushing formfilling redtape munchers, and we'd save enough to wipe out the deficit and add a few front line staff FFS. Ironically a lot of the quangos and public/private partnerships of which you speak were introduced by Labour as a sop to big business but are now being used as a stick to beat the shit out of the public sector with. Way to go Tone. |
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Post by Furry Frank The Combat Wombat on Feb 3, 2012 15:24:40 GMT
...I'm a fan of cuts in principle (ie from a tax point of view), but am mystified about the bits they are going after. Leave the doctors, police, teachers etc. alone and go after the real problem - the jobsworths that clog up most government departments that don't actually do anything but protect their little empire and waste taxpayers time and money. Get rid of the fooking pointless layers of bureacratic penpushing formfilling redtape munchers, and we'd save enough to wipe out the deficit and add a few front line staff FFS. Ironically a lot of the quangos and public/private partnerships of which you speak were introduced by Labour as a sop to big business but are now being used as a stick to beat the shit out of the public sector with. Way to go Tone. Indeed... but I'm not talking just about them, I mean all the useless coonts that waste your time when you're dealing with local government; all the free translators we pay for so foreigners can deal with our bureacracy, doctors' receptionists whose entire purpose in life is to fook you over, the twat who made extra special effort the Mrs didn't get her benfits because she had to go home for Christmas, the other one who spent half a day making her choose job interviews to go to when she'd already accepted a job; the 3 (count them) health visitors who came to assess her disability for a month..etc.etc.etc...I could go on all week. I'd better stop before I really offend someone, though. |
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Post by shirleymush on Feb 3, 2012 15:31:20 GMT
Ironically a lot of the quangos and public/private partnerships of which you speak were introduced by Labour as a sop to big business but are now being used as a stick to beat the shit out of the public sector with. Way to go Tone. Indeed... but I'm not talking just about them, I mean all the useless coonts that waste your time when you're dealing with local government; all the free translators we pay for so foreigners can deal with our bureacracy, doctors' receptionists whose entire purpose in life is to fook you over, the twat who made extra special effort the Mrs didn't get her benfits because she had to go home for Christmas, the other one who spent half a day making her choose job interviews to go to when she'd already accepted a job; the 3 (count them) health visitors who came to assess her disability for a month..etc.etc.etc...I could go on all week. I'd better stop before I really offend someone, though. When did bureacracy become a dirty word I wonder? It is universally loathed regardless of political affiliation, yet I'd imagine most would accept that a certain level of it is necessary. Bureacracy has somehow become synonymous with inefficiency and frustration when in fact it should facilitate the opposite. A good bureacrat allows things to run smoothly. Like a good ref. Sadly there are very few of either. |
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Post by Furry Frank The Combat Wombat on Feb 3, 2012 17:18:35 GMT
Indeed... but I'm not talking just about them, I mean all the useless coonts that waste your time when you're dealing with local government; all the free translators we pay for so foreigners can deal with our bureacracy, doctors' receptionists whose entire purpose in life is to fook you over, the twat who made extra special effort the Mrs didn't get her benfits because she had to go home for Christmas, the other one who spent half a day making her choose job interviews to go to when she'd already accepted a job; the 3 (count them) health visitors who came to assess her disability for a month..etc.etc.etc...I could go on all week. I'd better stop before I really offend someone, though. When did bureacracy become a dirty word I wonder? It is universally loathed regardless of political affiliation, yet I'd imagine most would accept that a certain level of it is necessary. Bureacracy has somehow become synonymous with inefficiency and frustration when in fact it should facilitate the opposite. A good bureacrat allows things to run smoothly. Like a good ref. Sadly there are very few of either. Probably because while the Government spends £bn on smart technical solutions for some problems, it is unwilling to dismantle it's true powerbase, which is the bureacracy...and cos we invented modern bureacracy, ours is stuck in Victorian times*. Additionally, it attracts the sort of people who would get eased out of any decent companies after a while for their cant' do attitudes. The bitterness only comes from trying (and failing) to deal with these people on a regular basis. See, you've got me bloody started again! *Try taking a train in India, by the way, now the way they run those is Victorian British Bureacracy taken to high art! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2012 9:43:19 GMT
Indeed... but I'm not talking just about them, I mean all the useless coonts that waste your time when you're dealing with local government; all the free translators we pay for so foreigners can deal with our bureacracy, doctors' receptionists whose entire purpose in life is to fook you over, the twat who made extra special effort the Mrs didn't get her benfits because she had to go home for Christmas, the other one who spent half a day making her choose job interviews to go to when she'd already accepted a job; the 3 (count them) health visitors who came to assess her disability for a month..etc.etc.etc...I could go on all week. I'd better stop before I really offend someone, though. When did bureacracy become a dirty word I wonder? It is universally loathed regardless of political affiliation, yet I'd imagine most would accept that a certain level of it is necessary. Bureacracy has somehow become synonymous with inefficiency and frustration when in fact it should facilitate the opposite. A good bureacrat allows things to run smoothly. Like a good ref. Sadly there are very few of either. Because bureaucracy seems to spend more than half its time stopping people from doing stuff or making it unnecessarily complicated instead of assisting where possible. The very name Civil Servant is ironic. |
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Post by costa on Feb 4, 2012 13:59:22 GMT
People who moan about bureaucracy in the UK really should spend some time in Spain. It is a hundred times worse in Spain - part of the reason for all the corruption - it is the only way you can get things done.
It drives me fooking crazy - Luckily they don't have guns in this country!
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Post by THE BEAST on Feb 4, 2012 17:40:11 GMT
civil servants reflect government, if it was up to people that work for government to make things easy or difficult things would probably work a lot easier than you think…
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