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Post by patred on Apr 15, 2012 6:14:50 GMT
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Post by saintpaddy on Apr 15, 2012 8:53:26 GMT
Funny that, I believe that 123 Irish people were on board Titanic?
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Post by patred on Apr 15, 2012 9:10:15 GMT
I am not differentiating between the various victims, Belfast is! In it's shameful haste to commercialise itself as the Titanic city, it has omitted, or overlooked the effect it had on this city, and that of their own countries southern immigrants.. www.titanicbelfast.com/Home.aspx
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Post by spot51 on Apr 15, 2012 13:01:21 GMT
Pretty much all those Belfast residents who went down on Titanic were Harland and Wolff employees. They included Thomas Andrews the designer and a hand-picked team of specialists whose role was to iron out any glitches on the maiden voyage. When their ship began taking on water these guys were invaluable in keeping things operating while the lifeboats got away. The lights kept working until 2 minutes before the ship broke in two and the front part sank. The Belfast lads went down with her. One of the true heroes of the sinking was Arthur Rostron. www.titanic-titanic.com/carpathia.shtmlRostron was from Bolton but made his home in Southampton during his years with Cunard. In later life he saw action at Gallipoli, became a CBE and Captain of the Master Mariners Club. He died in 1940 and is buried at West End church.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2012 21:59:12 GMT
Southampton suffered a hell of a lot more than Belfast.
They (allegedly) used low grade steel FFS! WABOC they are to bang on about their connection as though producing a defective ship is something to be proud of.
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Post by spot51 on Apr 16, 2012 8:52:51 GMT
Southampton suffered a hell of a lot more than Belfast. They (allegedly) used low grade steel FFS! WABOC they are to bang on about their connection as though producing a defective ship is something to be proud of. Your first point is undoubtedly true. Accusing them of producing a defective ship is unfair - you are relying on hindsight which the builders could not. The engineering and mechanical failures that caused Titanic's demise have only seriously been examined in the 1/4 century since the wrecks' discovery. In 1912 Harland and Wolff believed they'd built a world-beater, not a piece of crap destined for the ocean floor. The British Board of Enquiry into the sinking was equally biased. Their focus was to both find a scapegoat (Stanley Lord, master of the Californian was their fall-guy) and, of course, to hide the fact that Board of Trade lifeboat regulations were mostly to blame for the huge loss of life. The blame for the loss of the Titanic sits fairly and squarely with her master and officers. Ignoring many warnings they ploughed into a ice-field at full speed then broadcast an incorrect position when asking for help. Indeed, they were so far from that position that it was impossible for the Californian to have seen Titanic once she stopped. Stanley Lord spent the rest of his life trying to clear his name and he'd done nothing wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2012 9:05:55 GMT
Fair dos. I was being a bit facetious. It just irks me that Belfast is playing up its connections for monetary gain whereas Southampton's approach is to show a bit more decorum. They're not really known for that in Norn Iron though.
I watched the programme on Southampton yesterday but avoided the one from Belfast. That was more like it. I feel sorry for Fred Fleet too, poor sod. The survivors never got over it.
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