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Jan 22, 2018 9:52:17 GMT
Post by saintsfan73 on Jan 22, 2018 9:52:17 GMT
Are you really saying that there is even the remotest chance that Pellegrino will come good? I can’t see it in a million years. Same old today. Took the lead and didn’t win. Again. We sat deeper and deeper as per. We only escaped with a point as Poch is too cultured to go 442 and hoof it as all our previous opponents had done to great effect. Absolute rubbish as per. No, I don't think MP2 will come good, but I did enjoy the day. The crowd got behind the team, there were no visible, or audible protests of any kind and the team played well. It was a refreshing change. The one thing that the team DIDN'T do, was to drop deep. They kept pressing and pressing. In fact that was the one thing that surprised me. Saints played like the Saints of the MP1 era, high pressing. The only thing missing was a striker, or in fact anyone, to take advantage of the space they were making. The other similarity with the early days of the MP1 era, was that the team ran out of steam towards the end. IF Saints are going back to the high pressing game, after the pragmatism of subsequent managers (Koeman, Puell), then this is to be expected. I literally have no idea what you were watching. That was absolutely nothing like a Poch high-press. The only difference to the Palace, Huddersfield, Watford et al was that that Poch didn't go 4-4-2 and hoof long balls at us. If he did then they would have taken home all 3 points.
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Jan 22, 2018 10:48:42 GMT
Post by channonite on Jan 22, 2018 10:48:42 GMT
Absolute rubbish as per. No, I don't think MP2 will come good, but I did enjoy the day. The crowd got behind the team, there were no visible, or audible protests of any kind and the team played well. It was a refreshing change. The one thing that the team DIDN'T do, was to drop deep. They kept pressing and pressing. In fact that was the one thing that surprised me. Saints played like the Saints of the MP1 era, high pressing. The only thing missing was a striker, or in fact anyone, to take advantage of the space they were making. The other similarity with the early days of the MP1 era, was that the team ran out of steam towards the end. IF Saints are going back to the high pressing game, after the pragmatism of subsequent managers (Koeman, Puell), then this is to be expected. I literally have no idea what you were watching. That was absolutely nothing like a Poch high-press. The only difference to the Palace, Huddersfield, Watford et al was that that Poch didn't go 4-4-2 and hoof long balls at us. If he did then they would have taken home all 3 points. Were you actually at the match?
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Jan 22, 2018 11:01:12 GMT
Post by saintsfan73 on Jan 22, 2018 11:01:12 GMT
I literally have no idea what you were watching. That was absolutely nothing like a Poch high-press. The only difference to the Palace, Huddersfield, Watford et al was that that Poch didn't go 4-4-2 and hoof long balls at us. If he did then they would have taken home all 3 points. Were you actually at the match? Good god no. I've given my last penny to our billionaire until something radically changes. Is this a 'I was at the game so I must have seen more than you' thing? I watched the game on tv and I must say that when I go to games it's much more difficult to get a overall impression of things like tactics and formations than if you are watching at home. Yesterday was nothing like a Poch high-press. I haven't heard any other person refer to it as that. He had 40% of the possession and fought on the back foot for just about the entire 2nd half. We had a couple of chances were more on the break in what was actually a more RK-esque way. Yes, at the end there were a couple of examples of Obafemi closing down the keeper but that does not make a high-press. As I said, the only thing that saved us was MP not going 4-4-2 and lumping crosses into the box. If they had brought on Llorente then we would have been f'ked. Nothing has changed, any more than it changed after the Man U draw. We still have a CB in Stephens who is scared of heading the ball, we still need a striker and a player to do the job Redmond should be doing and we still have a manager who is getting about 25% of what he should be out of the squad. More scariliy, we still have a leadership team (well Les Greed) who doesn't seem remotely bothered about doing anything to adress the above.
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Jan 22, 2018 11:02:39 GMT
Post by meatball on Jan 22, 2018 11:02:39 GMT
Just back from the match and surprisingly enjoyed it. For the first time in God knows how long the team played as though they cared - for the whole match. The first goal was as good an own goal as you are ever likely to see. On the other hand the second goal was scored in what seemed slow motion and by that cont Harry Kane. Inevitable really. The thing that cheered me up no end was that there were at least three clear cut chances for us to win the match, the last falling to young Obafemi. If he had managed to connect with that cross what a fairytale that would have been. Bertrand was captain and was always badgering the players. Good choice. The question that was uppermost in my mind was - where was Franny Benali's daughter? It was raining. I'm convinced she never comes out in the rain.
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Jan 22, 2018 11:20:05 GMT
Post by saintsfan73 on Jan 22, 2018 11:20:05 GMT
Just back from the match and surprisingly enjoyed it. For the first time in God knows how long the team played as though they cared - for the whole match. The first goal was as good an own goal as you are ever likely to see. On the other hand the second goal was scored in what seemed slow motion and by that cont Harry Kane. Inevitable really. The thing that cheered me up no end was that there were at least three clear cut chances for us to win the match, the last falling to young Obafemi. If he had managed to connect with that cross what a fairytale that would have been. Bertrand was captain and was always badgering the players. Good choice. The question that was uppermost in my mind was - where was Franny Benali's daughter? It was raining. I'm convinced she never comes out in the rain. Oh 'she'. You are very witty aren't you!
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Jan 22, 2018 12:19:56 GMT
Post by meatball on Jan 22, 2018 12:19:56 GMT
It was raining. I'm convinced she never comes out in the rain. Oh 'she'. You are very witty aren't you! I'm sorry, what?
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Jan 22, 2018 12:29:59 GMT
Post by saintsfan73 on Jan 22, 2018 12:29:59 GMT
Oh 'she'. You are very witty aren't you! I'm sorry, what? Ignore me. (you really should do that more often!) - thought the post was about Benali snr not his daughter.
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Post by meatball on Jan 22, 2018 12:39:05 GMT
Ignore me. (you really should do that more often!) - thought the post was about Benali snr not his daughter. Aaaaah. Is there a joke about Franny being a lady that I’m not aware of then?
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Jan 22, 2018 12:46:24 GMT
Post by saintsfan73 on Jan 22, 2018 12:46:24 GMT
Ignore me. (you really should do that more often!) - thought the post was about Benali snr not his daughter. Aaaaah. Is there a joke about Franny being a lady that I’m not aware of then? Just a Freddie Mercury lookalike I think.
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Jan 22, 2018 12:58:33 GMT
Post by saintsfan73 on Jan 22, 2018 12:58:33 GMT
I was looking at the #saintsfc twitter feed last night and none other than Shirls (formerly of this parish) was referring to JWP as a 'pound shop Beckham' which I thought I had copyrighted on here years ago. My opinions seem to be gathering a lot more support of the last two seasons.
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Post by channonite on Jan 22, 2018 13:45:26 GMT
Were you actually at the match? Good god no. I've given my last penny to our billionaire until something radically changes. Is this a 'I was at the game so I must have seen more than you' thing? I watched the game on tv and I must say that when I go to games it's much more difficult to get a overall impression of things like tactics and formations than if you are watching at home.Yesterday was nothing like a Poch high-press. I haven't heard any other person refer to it as that. He had 40% of the possession and fought on the back foot for just about the entire 2nd half. We had a couple of chances were more on the break in what was actually a more RK-esque way. Yes, at the end there were a couple of examples of Obafemi closing down the keeper but that does not make a high-press. As I said, the only thing that saved us was MP not going 4-4-2 and lumping crosses into the box. If they had brought on Llorente then we would have been f'ked. Nothing has changed, any more than it changed after the Man U draw. We still have a CB in Stephens who is scared of heading the ball, we still need a striker and a player to do the job Redmond should be doing and we still have a manager who is getting about 25% of what he should be out of the squad. More scariliy, we still have a leadership team (well Les Greed) who doesn't seem remotely bothered about doing anything to adress the above. Which to me proves that you don't go to games, as the reverse is true. You get an understanding of the overall flow and sense what is being done far more than you do on TV. Rather frustratingly you sometimes miss individual moments (such as whether a shot was saved, or hit the post), but you have a far better understanding of the bigger picture.
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Jan 22, 2018 14:08:26 GMT
Post by theallseeingeye on Jan 22, 2018 14:08:26 GMT
I think we sit a little too deep.. and don't have enough pace without Long to play that style.
It was much much better yesterday but I don't think the manager is close to getting the best out of the talent squad we have.
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Post by snowcrash on Jan 22, 2018 20:23:53 GMT
I thought we were pretty good yesterday. A marked improvement. It may not have had the intensity of a Poch press, but it was a press, and the players looked comfortable with it. For the first time in a while we continually had two players chasing down opponents throughout the match. And they kept going to the end, and didn't fall back anywhere near as far as in recent matches. Perhaps that demonstrates better game management than simply knackering themselves for 75 minutes, then being unable to compete as a team in the last 15. And this was against Spurs, one of the fittest teams in the League. I think MP2 modified his game plan. Some of our through-balls to the front line were exquisite. Dusan, JWP, Bertie, Cedders all played some exquisite balls which sliced the Spurs defence open. Somehow we were creating space to run into and had players in space on the edge of the box... were there diversionary runs off the ball? I can't recall. But it was a pleasure to watch. And as I always say, get Bertie and Dusan on the left and magic happens. Give us a Pelle in the middle and we'll be up and running. Gabbiadini looked rusty and lacked confidence - nothing new. Boufal needs to show more awareness - a couple of times he could have passed and set up a better opportunity than him falling over or being fouled. One of which would have been to Obafemi; can't rememember if before or after the sitter, but it would have helped him. Oriol was on-form, PEH was great... a good team performance, and for once they didn't just look confused. More of the same, please.
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Jan 22, 2018 22:41:58 GMT
Post by arfurdent on Jan 22, 2018 22:41:58 GMT
Good god no. I've given my last penny to our billionaire until something radically changes. Is this a 'I was at the game so I must have seen more than you' thing? I watched the game on tv and I must say that when I go to games it's much more difficult to get a overall impression of things like tactics and formations than if you are watching at home.Yesterday was nothing like a Poch high-press. I haven't heard any other person refer to it as that. He had 40% of the possession and fought on the back foot for just about the entire 2nd half. We had a couple of chances were more on the break in what was actually a more RK-esque way. Yes, at the end there were a couple of examples of Obafemi closing down the keeper but that does not make a high-press. As I said, the only thing that saved us was MP not going 4-4-2 and lumping crosses into the box. If they had brought on Llorente then we would have been f'ked. Nothing has changed, any more than it changed after the Man U draw. We still have a CB in Stephens who is scared of heading the ball, we still need a striker and a player to do the job Redmond should be doing and we still have a manager who is getting about 25% of what he should be out of the squad. More scariliy, we still have a leadership team (well Les Greed) who doesn't seem remotely bothered about doing anything to adress the above. Which to me proves that you don't go to games, as the reverse is true. You get an understanding of the overall flow and sense what is being done far more than you do on TV. Rather frustratingly you sometimes miss individual moments (such as whether a shot was saved, or hit the post), but you have a far better understanding of the bigger picture. with that I agree, there is nothing like actually watching live to understand how thins are working or not. No camera watches the off the ball running or organisation.
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Jan 23, 2018 8:27:12 GMT
Post by meatball on Jan 23, 2018 8:27:12 GMT
Good god no. I've given my last penny to our billionaire until something radically changes. Is this a 'I was at the game so I must have seen more than you' thing? I watched the game on tv and I must say that when I go to games it's much more difficult to get a overall impression of things like tactics and formations than if you are watching at home.Yesterday was nothing like a Poch high-press. I haven't heard any other person refer to it as that. He had 40% of the possession and fought on the back foot for just about the entire 2nd half. We had a couple of chances were more on the break in what was actually a more RK-esque way. Yes, at the end there were a couple of examples of Obafemi closing down the keeper but that does not make a high-press. As I said, the only thing that saved us was MP not going 4-4-2 and lumping crosses into the box. If they had brought on Llorente then we would have been f'ked. Nothing has changed, any more than it changed after the Man U draw. We still have a CB in Stephens who is scared of heading the ball, we still need a striker and a player to do the job Redmond should be doing and we still have a manager who is getting about 25% of what he should be out of the squad. More scariliy, we still have a leadership team (well Les Greed) who doesn't seem remotely bothered about doing anything to adress the above. Which to me proves that you don't go to games, as the reverse is true. You get an understanding of the overall flow and sense what is being done far more than you do on TV. Rather frustratingly you sometimes miss individual moments (such as whether a shot was saved, or hit the post), but you have a far better understanding of the bigger picture. You also get a real impression of team moral and dynamic. At the final whistle, me and my usual numpties were discussing how it seemed a little different, the players seemed to be more energetic and up for it, even Bertie was running for everything (that may have been the armband). Even Bertie said the same in his post match, that there has been a different energy about the place recently, and he even alluded to new signings, which could be the reason. One thing I did see was a spat between Tadic and MoPe, I couldn't see it too well but it looked as if MoPe was yelling at Tadic to drop back, and Tadic looked a little unimpressed by this. Again, hi post match alluded to his desire to attack.
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